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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 14:12:21 GMT
Well, balders all moan and groan but they don't stump the reddies up, do they? I'm not throwing stones, but jeez it could be all worse....look at Salisbury, Darlington, Hereford to name but a few.. If anyone wants to cast a stone, fair play, but look at yourself first... ive just had a look, collectively fans have stumped up over 1 million hard cash and had it diluted. no loan paid back there
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 14:31:42 GMT
Well, balders all moan and groan but they don't stump the reddies up, do they? I'm not throwing stones, but jeez it could be all worse....look at Salisbury, Darlington, Hereford to name but a few.. If anyone wants to cast a stone, fair play, but look at yourself first... ive just had a look, collectively fans have stumped up over 1 million hard cash and had it diluted. no loan paid back there Well, I can't disagree, bulbous. We as supporters have been remarkably supportive, collectively, in financial and voluntary ways. I know a few that donate time and are lifeblood of our club. They're not though well blessed with a seven figure bank account credit. I personally have invested three figure sum in last 12 months in supporting Gas. I know alot have done more and alot less. Until someone or a conglomerate stumps up 30times that amount, then you or any individual put in the reddies in and take the criticism day in, day out.. I'm sure it could be better run. But I've said that since Gordon Bennett and Flook decided to jump ship in 80s..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 14:36:50 GMT
ive just had a look, collectively fans have stumped up over 1 million hard cash and had it diluted. no loan paid back there Well, I can't disagree, bulbous. We as supporters have been remarkably supportive, collectively, in financial and voluntary ways. I know a few that donate time and are lifeblood of our club. They're not though well blessed with a seven figure bank account credit. I personally have invested three figure sum in last 12 months in supporting Gas. I know alot have done more and alot less. Until someone or a conglomerate stumps up 30times that amount, then you or any individual put in the reddies in and take the criticism day in, day out.. I'm sure it could be better run. But I've said that since Gordon Bennett and Flook decided to jump ship in 80s.. i despair, at the very least the all in it together would cost nothing to implement if it was wanted, silly petulant bannings/openness and honesty to the fans and the board would get a lot more support and help
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 14:43:53 GMT
Well, balders all moan and groan but they don't stump the reddies up, do they? I'm not throwing stones, but jeez it could be all worse....look at Salisbury, Darlington, Hereford to name but a few.. If anyone wants to cast a stone, fair play, but look at yourself first... Um, yes actually, we do 'stump up the reddies'. The revenue from gate receipts, advertising, selling of the boxes, programes, SC donations, SS income etc etc etc provides the vast majority of the club's income. They've just pocketed around half a million quid of our money from the last 2 home fixtures and Wembley. It's not our fault if Higgs can't organise the club to be competitive and live within its means.
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 19, 2015 14:48:19 GMT
We should be eternally gratefully for people like Mr Higgs investing his money into the club over the last few years. Investing? Or blowing it? If I offered to renovate your house, messed up the job, and told you I wanted you to pay my costs back with interest, would you be happy?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 14:56:19 GMT
Well, balders all moan and groan but they don't stump the reddies up, do they? I'm not throwing stones, but jeez it could be all worse....look at Salisbury, Darlington, Hereford to name but a few.. If anyone wants to cast a stone, fair play, but look at yourself first... Um, yes actually, we do 'stump up the reddies'. The revenue from gate receipts, advertising, selling of the boxes, programes, SC donations, SS income etc etc etc provides the vast majority of the club's income. They've just pocketed around half a million quid of our money from the last 2 home fixtures and Wembley. It's not our fault if Higgs can't organise the club to be competitive and live within its means. Again, I can't disagree with your post BG, I'm trying to point out that the personal amount of money NH puts in (and board members) is far higher than me. Unless you're suggesting that everyone whom puts money in is equal on the board (which would be ridiculous). I don't like it any more than anyone else, as I think our club is run like something out the dark ages, but until you can make a hostile takeover bid with your waiting millions, I guess I will have to support like I have done through the eastville/ashton/twerton/wembley/mem years...sorry bout that!!!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 15:02:07 GMT
We should be eternally gratefully for people like Mr Higgs investing his money into the club over the last few years. Investing? Or blowing it? If I offered to renovate your house, messed up the job, and told you I wanted you to pay my costs back with interest, would you be happy? I would be over the moon. Please start anytime....my address is: The Robins, Ashturd. Bring your special blue & white quartered paint in one tin...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 15:12:31 GMT
Um, yes actually, we do 'stump up the reddies'. The revenue from gate receipts, advertising, selling of the boxes, programes, SC donations, SS income etc etc etc provides the vast majority of the club's income. They've just pocketed around half a million quid of our money from the last 2 home fixtures and Wembley. It's not our fault if Higgs can't organise the club to be competitive and live within its means. Again, I can't disagree with your post BG, I'm trying to point out that the personal amount of money NH puts in (and board members) is far higher than me. Unless you're suggesting that everyone whom puts money in is equal on the board (which would be ridiculous). I don't like it any more than anyone else, as I think our club is run like something out the dark ages, but until you can make a hostile takeover bid with your waiting millions, I guess I will have to support like I have done through the eastville/ashton/twerton/wembley/mem years...sorry bout that!!! I think you have fallen for the bait and think that Higgs is the only game in town. Not the case. But he needs to be grown up and accept that the losses are his fault, write them off, lodge some money in an account to cover the losses that will be racked up whilst the mess that he has created is unravelled, give back the Wembley money to deal with maintenance that hasn't been done to the ground whilst he has been running around chasing a goose that he thinks is going to lay a golden egg, secure the tennacy of the FC within the stadium and suddenly you will find willing and able people to take us forward.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 19, 2015 15:27:31 GMT
Um, yes actually, we do 'stump up the reddies'. The revenue from gate receipts, advertising, selling of the boxes, programes, SC donations, SS income etc etc etc provides the vast majority of the club's income. They've just pocketed around half a million quid of our money from the last 2 home fixtures and Wembley. It's not our fault if Higgs can't organise the club to be competitive and live within its means. Again, I can't disagree with your post BG, I'm trying to point out that the personal amount of money NH puts in (and board members) is far higher than me. Unless you're suggesting that everyone whom puts money in is equal on the board (which would be ridiculous). I don't like it any more than anyone else, as I think our club is run like something out the dark ages, but until you can make a hostile takeover bid with your waiting millions, I guess I will have to support like I have done through the eastville/ashton/twerton/wembley/mem years...sorry bout that!!! Problem is NH has run up so much debt nobody but a fool would want to invest now, they may as well wait until we either go into Admin, or NH has to make a fire sale eventually due to ill health or retirement etc. Not really sure any of our Directors actually put money into the club but simply loan it against the value of the Mem so they are virtually certain to get repaid.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 15:28:14 GMT
Again, I can't disagree with your post BG, I'm trying to point out that the personal amount of money NH puts in (and board members) is far higher than me. Unless you're suggesting that everyone whom puts money in is equal on the board (which would be ridiculous). I don't like it any more than anyone else, as I think our club is run like something out the dark ages, but until you can make a hostile takeover bid with your waiting millions, I guess I will have to support like I have done through the eastville/ashton/twerton/wembley/mem years...sorry bout that!!! I think you have fallen for the bait and think that Higgs is the only game in town. Not the case. But he needs to be grown up and accept that the losses are his fault, write them off, lodge some money in an account to cover the losses that will be racked up whilst the mess that he has created is unravelled, give back the Wembley money to deal with maintenance that hasn't been done to the ground whilst he has been running around chasing a goose that he thinks is going to lay a golden egg, secure the tennacy of the FC within the stadium and suddenly you will find willing and able people to take us forward. That last paragraph is indeed idyllic. I hope so. I hold out little hope though. As for your first paragraph, whole heartedly fallen for any bait as that's whom I am. I never walked away from dark times at Eastville or Twerton pre 1990. Or, when we were relegated last year. I haven't millions to my name, BG. I wish I did. But folk that do, and choose to run our club (for better or worse) have stood their round so to speak. Put more in than the average fan has, so I just think they deserve a break now and again. Balders sort of summed it up for me. If anyone can do better, pump the dosh in and I'll support you...please?...I'm not saying everything rosy, but like said before, could be worse Darlo, Hereford, etc..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 15:35:34 GMT
I think you have fallen for the bait and think that Higgs is the only game in town. Not the case. But he needs to be grown up and accept that the losses are his fault, write them off, lodge some money in an account to cover the losses that will be racked up whilst the mess that he has created is unravelled, give back the Wembley money to deal with maintenance that hasn't been done to the ground whilst he has been running around chasing a goose that he thinks is going to lay a golden egg, secure the tennacy of the FC within the stadium and suddenly you will find willing and able people to take us forward. That last paragraph is indeed idyllic. I hope so. I hold out little hope though. As for your first paragraph, whole heartedly fallen for any bait as that's whom I am. I never walked away from dark times at Eastville or Twerton pre 1990. Or, when we were relegated last year. I haven't millions to my name, BG. I wish I did. But folk that do, and choose to run our club (for better or worse) have stood their round so to speak. Put more in than the average fan has, so I just think they deserve a break now and again. Balders sort of summed it up for me. If anyone can do better, pump the dosh in and I'll support you...please?...I'm not saying everything rosy, but like said before, could be worse Darlo, Hereford, etc.. Why would anyone pump their own money in to cover all of Higgs' losses so that he can walk away, unscathed, and put out a BS statement about leaving the club in a better state then when he arrived? Simply not going to happen.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 15:37:23 GMT
Again, I can't disagree with your post BG, I'm trying to point out that the personal amount of money NH puts in (and board members) is far higher than me. Unless you're suggesting that everyone whom puts money in is equal on the board (which would be ridiculous). I don't like it any more than anyone else, as I think our club is run like something out the dark ages, but until you can make a hostile takeover bid with your waiting millions, I guess I will have to support like I have done through the eastville/ashton/twerton/wembley/mem years...sorry bout that!!! Problem is NH has run up so much debt nobody but a fool would want to invest now, they may as well wait until we either go into Admin, or NH has to make a fire sale eventually due to ill health or retirement etc. Not really sure any of our Directors actually put money into the club but simply loan it against the value of the Mem so they are virtually certain to get repaid. Well I think we've been running at a loss years before NH was on the scene... At least he's remained consistent, eh?!!!! Whether shares are converted or not, they still put in way more than me. I don't think the club is run as efficiently as other clubs of our size/status. Just trying to be supportive as so easy to blame, especially when can anyone really truly believe NH and board wanna sink this club? Other chairman haven't given a fig for their club, I don't believe our board atw in that category
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 15:43:15 GMT
That last paragraph is indeed idyllic. I hope so. I hold out little hope though. As for your first paragraph, whole heartedly fallen for any bait as that's whom I am. I never walked away from dark times at Eastville or Twerton pre 1990. Or, when we were relegated last year. I haven't millions to my name, BG. I wish I did. But folk that do, and choose to run our club (for better or worse) have stood their round so to speak. Put more in than the average fan has, so I just think they deserve a break now and again. Balders sort of summed it up for me. If anyone can do better, pump the dosh in and I'll support you...please?...I'm not saying everything rosy, but like said before, could be worse Darlo, Hereford, etc.. Why would anyone pump their own money in to cover all of Higgs' losses so that he can walk away, unscathed, and put out a BS statement about leaving the club in a better state then when he arrived? Simply not going to happen. Not saying it will. Until someone stumps up some serious £, I'll support best I can the club I love. Far from perfect, but I guess Darlo, Hereford supporters would chew off a testicle to be in our paltry pathetic position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 15:50:02 GMT
Why would anyone pump their own money in to cover all of Higgs' losses so that he can walk away, unscathed, and put out a BS statement about leaving the club in a better state then when he arrived? Simply not going to happen. Not saying it will. Until someone stumps up some serious £, I'll support best I can the club I love. Far from perfect, but I guess Darlo, Hereford supporters would chew off a testicle to be in our paltry pathetic position. False comparrison. Neither club had the same income or support base that our hapless board squander. Why should anyone 'stump up serious £' to bail Higgs and the rest of his BoD out of the mess they have created? The only thing for sure is that something has to change. As far as I'm aware, Jelf is the only director with a company generating any significant income, and I'm not sure how cash rich he is, I think that he's been building his businesses? So, how long can Higgs continue to fund million pound losses?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 16:00:11 GMT
Not saying it will. Until someone stumps up some serious £, I'll support best I can the club I love. Far from perfect, but I guess Darlo, Hereford supporters would chew off a testicle to be in our paltry pathetic position. False comparrison. Neither club had the same income or support base that our hapless board squander. Why should anyone 'stump up serious £' to bail Higgs and the rest of his BoD out of the mess they have created? The only thing for sure is that something has to change. As far as I'm aware, Jelf is the only director with a company generating any significant income, and I'm not sure how cash rich he is, I think that he's been building his businesses? So, how long can Higgs continue to fund million pound losses? The comparison is relative. Both clubs (along with Salisbury) had boards that at one time were sympathetic to the fans' concerns. It went wrong because of bad decisions made ar critical times. No one of any business sense would take on debt unless they could easily cover it, or avoid it But then that would bring into question motives as in are the GasHeads, etc? Some wouldn't care,as long as wonga was there. Fair enough. I would just prefer an investment with club at heart.. Pompey waited until debts were dissolved and now investors waiting. Of course they have huge fan base that supported and continue to support them. Therein is thrust of what am saying, support...it could be alot worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 16:07:19 GMT
False comparrison. Neither club had the same income or support base that our hapless board squander. Why should anyone 'stump up serious £' to bail Higgs and the rest of his BoD out of the mess they have created? The only thing for sure is that something has to change. As far as I'm aware, Jelf is the only director with a company generating any significant income, and I'm not sure how cash rich he is, I think that he's been building his businesses? So, how long can Higgs continue to fund million pound losses? The comparison is relative. Both clubs (along with Salisbury) had boards that at one time were sympathetic to the fans' concerns. It went wrong because of bad decisions made ar critical times. No one of any business sense would take on debt unless they could easily cover it, or avoid it But then that would bring into question motives as in are the GasHeads, etc? Some wouldn't care,as long as wonga was there. Fair enough. I would just prefer an investment with club at heart.. Pompey waited until debts were dissolved and now investors waiting. Of course they have huge fan base that supported and continue to support them. Therein is thrust of what am saying, support...it could be alot worse. I have no idea what point you are trying to demonstrate?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 16:22:55 GMT
The comparison is relative. Both clubs (along with Salisbury) had boards that at one time were sympathetic to the fans' concerns. It went wrong because of bad decisions made ar critical times. No one of any business sense would take on debt unless they could easily cover it, or avoid it But then that would bring into question motives as in are the GasHeads, etc? Some wouldn't care,as long as wonga was there. Fair enough. I would just prefer an investment with club at heart.. Pompey waited until debts were dissolved and now investors waiting. Of course they have huge fan base that supported and continue to support them. Therein is thrust of what am saying, support...it could be alot worse. I have no idea what point you are trying to demonstrate? ....that it could be alot worse. That's part of point It's not recognised. Balders rightly said we should be grateful of investment. We can all criticise how investment is spent, but since 80s (and I suspect well before) it's the same old argument. Flook and Bennett left us in our hour of need, like R.A.T.S. off a sinking ship. Let's get a bit of solidarity thinking and support? How's that for a,revolutionary thought and point?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 16:30:20 GMT
Put up or shut up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 18:17:46 GMT
I have no idea what point you are trying to demonstrate? ....that it could be alot worse. That's part of point It's not recognised. Balders rightly said we should be grateful of investment. We can all criticise how investment is spent, but since 80s (and I suspect well before) it's the same old argument. Flook and Bennett left us in our hour of need, like R.A.T.S. off a sinking ship. Let's get a bit of solidarity thinking and support? How's that for a,revolutionary thought and point? That's the second time you've said how much better we are now than when we had those bounders 'Flook and Bennett' leaving us in the lurch. Wasn't Gordon Bennett a paid employee who simply went to work (very successfully) for someone else, as is everybody's right? Are you thinking of Flook and Bradshaw?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 19, 2015 18:59:11 GMT
....that it could be alot worse. That's part of point It's not recognised. Balders rightly said we should be grateful of investment. We can all criticise how investment is spent, but since 80s (and I suspect well before) it's the same old argument. Flook and Bennett left us in our hour of need, like R.A.T.S. off a sinking ship. Let's get a bit of solidarity thinking and support? How's that for a,revolutionary thought and point? That's the second time you've said how much better we are now than when we had those bounders 'Flook and Bennett' leaving us in the lurch. Wasn't Gordon Bennett a paid employee who simply went to work (very successfully) for someone else, as is everybody's right? Are you thinking of Flook and Bradshaw? Bradshaw was def there in the day. Happy to be put right if someone knows better. I thought it was Bennett though...??...maybe wrong? Said it twice cos no one seems to recognise it, or remember. Board deserted in 1985/86. Dunford major took over (bless him). Convenient. For them. We've always had cause for criticism of board, but no one stumps up cash to make a difference. No one has replied to Balders. It's relevant and to the point..
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