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Post by longjohnsilver on Aug 15, 2014 22:21:12 GMT
unfortunately after waking up this morning to see there deeply offensive front page I will never again read another word printed by that rag what was that? I saw something on twitter about the barber story. if that's it then yes that was utterly wrong and insensitive. yes it was, was totaly gobsmacked. even the way the article was written was making light of the situation. I think its safe to say not very many women work in there news room.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 21, 2014 10:03:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 11:26:21 GMT
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 27, 2014 10:52:12 GMT
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 29, 2014 10:29:49 GMT
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Post by richardhannay on Aug 29, 2014 10:36:25 GMT
A nicely balanced piece Martin.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2014 11:02:32 GMT
So in the week we learn that Sainsbury's want to pull out on Mem deal you think the club are going to stump £200K for a new striker?
Regardless I feel you are being harsh Taylor as his chances against Telford & FGR was hardly glorious chances missed more like decent goalkeeping.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 29, 2014 11:44:59 GMT
So in the week we learn that Sainsbury's want to pull out on Mem deal you think the club are going to stump £200K for a new striker? Regardless I feel you are being harsh Taylor as his chances against Telford & FGR was hardly glorious chances missed more like decent goalkeeping. this has nothing to do with this week. People, including myself, have been asking for a proper top striker for a long time. sainsburys, the UWE and lack of goals has been going on for a year now. neither the striker issue or financial issues are new. Rovers seem to be able to find money to spend thousands paying off people like Kenneth, and we assume many others and/or paying their loan spells (Gill? Richards? Patterson?) you speculate to accumulate as the old saying goes. you won't get out of this division via an OK defence (it is merely OK, it's not even exceptional) Roberts, Hayles, Ellington & Lambert made a profit of £6m! And there were many others who made a huge profit, some of whom cost nothing (Stewart, Gareth taylor, Hoskins etc) I gave no opinion on Taylor. I merely said there are 2 ways of looking at it. I can't however see how anyone can deny that the FGR one in particular was a free header straight at the goalie. nothing to do with good 'keeping. anywhere else and it would have been a goal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:08:29 GMT
Nice blog mate
Delightful.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 29, 2014 14:55:16 GMT
Nice blog mate
Delightful. thanks. my favourite sentence of the entire blog.
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 1, 2014 10:03:33 GMT
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 5, 2014 10:09:45 GMT
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 5, 2014 12:00:26 GMT
Well that touched a nerve!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 14:59:48 GMT
Martin Bull eh? Latest in the long line of people who do a lot of talking and little to no walking.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 5, 2014 15:22:18 GMT
Martin Bull eh? Latest in the long line of people who do a lot of talking and little to no walking. Can you back that up please ?
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Post by bluestickgas on Sept 5, 2014 15:26:15 GMT
I have supported Bristol Rovers through thick and thin for nearly 35 years having watched them play at Eastville, Twerton and the Mem and also visited a number of away games. I have seen some great football played and some atrocious stuff too but I'm bored now - not of the football as I'm a rovers fan and I'm faithful and true - but of this constant bickering and attacking of anything and everything the board does. It amazes me at just how many of our fans clearly have no idea how a football team is managed, how difficult that is and also just how much goes into running and keeping a large club like rovers afloat. The board have made mistakes, managers have made mistakes and players have let our club down. We all know that and accept that but this constant venomous criticism actually gets us nowhere. There is no large single investor out there waiting to buy the club as if there was I'm sure that Higgs et al would have sold up long ago and not put up with the stuff that is constantly thrown at them. They have the clubs best interests at hearts and do what they think is right at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure there are many decisions the board have made that they would have changed if they could but they, and only they (unless any of us out here has significant millions were ready to depart with with very little return) can get us out of this mess. In times of adversity ALL of us need to pull together, not score points at each other's expense! Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I feel the writer here has taken a cheap shot at BSS and the board without fully understanding or appreciating all that they have done. People only remember the bad and never recognise or praise the good and I would love for Nick H to turn round and say ok, you think you can do better? How about a job swap for a month - you become chairman and deal with everything and see how you fair. I'm pretty certain that they'd have a rude awakening and gain an appreciation of what it's really like. As for the stadium, having worked in commercial and contract law I know exactly what non Disclosure Agreements mean and the types of confidentiality clauses that exist and why Nick has been silent or indicated no issues when there have been problems. If he divulged all or some of it his negotiating position suddenly becomes weaker as it exposes gaps in the defence, heightens pressure from fans who, without knowing full stories start demanding all sorts. Nick has played it by the book and so he should - cos if he didn't we'd have no chance and would probably end up being sued for breach of confidentiality which would cost multi-millions that we don't have. So in summary, let's stop all this in fighting and get behind the club and all within it as all of us are the cause of our demise - the board, managers, players and fans alike and before anyone questions whether the fans have had a part to play, we have as it is us who write, shout and shatter confidence when certain players are off form. The players know when they have played poorly or done wrong and don't need constant reminding - instead they need encouragement to improve. Yes there are times when it is clear that a player is not up to scratch but that's the managers job to deal with it however he feels best. Having managed teams I know how difficult it is and just look at Man Utd, even with one of the best managers in the world they are struggling to get the best out of what is on paper a very good squad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 15:30:50 GMT
Martin Bull eh? Latest in the long line of people who do a lot of talking and little to no walking. Can you back that up please ? Sorry KP, perhaps i should ask, besides writing blogs what is Mr Bull doing to help the club? UTG Mate
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 5, 2014 16:25:07 GMT
I have supported Bristol Rovers through thick and thin for nearly 35 years having watched them play at Eastville, Twerton and the Mem and also visited a number of away games. I have seen some great football played and some atrocious stuff too but I'm bored now - not of the football as I'm a rovers fan and I'm faithful and true - but of this constant bickering and attacking of anything and everything the board does. It amazes me at just how many of our fans clearly have no idea how a football team is managed, how difficult that is and also just how much goes into running and keeping a large club like rovers afloat. The board have made mistakes, managers have made mistakes and players have let our club down. We all know that and accept that but this constant venomous criticism actually gets us nowhere. There is no large single investor out there waiting to buy the club as if there was I'm sure that Higgs et al would have sold up long ago and not put up with the stuff that is constantly thrown at them. They have the clubs best interests at hearts and do what they think is right at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure there are many decisions the board have made that they would have changed if they could but they, and only they (unless any of us out here has significant millions were ready to depart with with very little return) can get us out of this mess. In times of adversity ALL of us need to pull together, not score points at each other's expense! Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I feel the writer here has taken a cheap shot at BSS and the board without fully understanding or appreciating all that they have done. People only remember the bad and never recognise or praise the good and I would love for Nick H to turn round and say ok, you think you can do better? How about a job swap for a month - you become chairman and deal with everything and see how you fair. I'm pretty certain that they'd have a rude awakening and gain an appreciation of what it's really like. As for the stadium, having worked in commercial and contract law I know exactly what non Disclosure Agreements mean and the types of confidentiality clauses that exist and why Nick has been silent or indicated no issues when there have been problems. If he divulged all or some of it his negotiating position suddenly becomes weaker as it exposes gaps in the defence, heightens pressure from fans who, without knowing full stories start demanding all sorts. Nick has played it by the book and so he should - cos if he didn't we'd have no chance and would probably end up being sued for breach of confidentiality which would cost multi-millions that we don't have. So in summary, let's stop all this in fighting and get behind the club and all within it as all of us are the cause of our demise - the board, managers, players and fans alike and before anyone questions whether the fans have had a part to play, we have as it is us who write, shout and shatter confidence when certain players are off form. The players know when they have played poorly or done wrong and don't need constant reminding - instead they need encouragement to improve. Yes there are times when it is clear that a player is not up to scratch but that's the managers job to deal with it however he feels best. Having managed teams I know how difficult it is and just look at Man Utd, even with one of the best managers in the world they are struggling to get the best out of what is on paper a very good squad. I'm with you to an extent, but the footballing, financial and circumstantial predicament we are in suggests that there is going to be a lot more public bloodletting before we are ever a united fan group again. As a member of the board that oversaw this mess, coupled with the difficulties (real and self-imposed) in really communicating with the fans, BSS and Ken Masters are going to receive a fair amount of this stick. Could anyone do a better job than them? I don't know - it is a pretty thankless task when our team fails so completely on the field. Martin's article is too antagonistic in my view, but Brian's public response fails to recognise that we are all "true supporters" on here (other than the city trolls), but many are still very angry at the board that he is part of. _____ Oh and regards the last bit about supporting the players. You will have recognised that our home crowds are holding up well compared to seasons in L2 and not bad compared to our attendances in L1. Vocal support is definitely more/better than at many times during the last decade. Our away support is strengthening in my view, especially compared to 5-10 years ago. We took more to Barnet for a midweek conference game than we did when we played them in the Football League. We outnumbered Forest Green (as we should) at their own ground and will do so with other teams this season. We currently draw at least twice as many as the best other supported club in this division and 5 times more than many. OK some have strongly voiced disappointment, but only really at the poor performance at Altrincham. So please don't suggest that there is anything less than the best support anyone could expect for the team. Don't confuse criticism of the board with lack of support for the team.
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 5, 2014 17:09:21 GMT
I have supported Bristol Rovers through thick and thin for nearly 35 years having watched them play at Eastville, Twerton and the Mem and also visited a number of away games. I have seen some great football played and some atrocious stuff too but I'm bored now - not of the football as I'm a rovers fan and I'm faithful and true - but of this constant bickering and attacking of anything and everything the board does. It amazes me at just how many of our fans clearly have no idea how a football team is managed, how difficult that is and also just how much goes into running and keeping a large club like rovers afloat. The board have made mistakes, managers have made mistakes and players have let our club down. We all know that and accept that but this constant venomous criticism actually gets us nowhere. There is no large single investor out there waiting to buy the club as if there was I'm sure that Higgs et al would have sold up long ago and not put up with the stuff that is constantly thrown at them. They have the clubs best interests at hearts and do what they think is right at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure there are many decisions the board have made that they would have changed if they could but they, and only they (unless any of us out here has significant millions were ready to depart with with very little return) can get us out of this mess. In times of adversity ALL of us need to pull together, not score points at each other's expense! Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I feel the writer here has taken a cheap shot at BSS and the board without fully understanding or appreciating all that they have done. People only remember the bad and never recognise or praise the good and I would love for Nick H to turn round and say ok, you think you can do better? How about a job swap for a month - you become chairman and deal with everything and see how you fair. I'm pretty certain that they'd have a rude awakening and gain an appreciation of what it's really like. As for the stadium, having worked in commercial and contract law I know exactly what non Disclosure Agreements mean and the types of confidentiality clauses that exist and why Nick has been silent or indicated no issues when there have been problems. If he divulged all or some of it his negotiating position suddenly becomes weaker as it exposes gaps in the defence, heightens pressure from fans who, without knowing full stories start demanding all sorts. Nick has played it by the book and so he should - cos if he didn't we'd have no chance and would probably end up being sued for breach of confidentiality which would cost multi-millions that we don't have. So in summary, let's stop all this in fighting and get behind the club and all within it as all of us are the cause of our demise - the board, managers, players and fans alike and before anyone questions whether the fans have had a part to play, we have as it is us who write, shout and shatter confidence when certain players are off form. The players know when they have played poorly or done wrong and don't need constant reminding - instead they need encouragement to improve. Yes there are times when it is clear that a player is not up to scratch but that's the managers job to deal with it however he feels best. Having managed teams I know how difficult it is and just look at Man Utd, even with one of the best managers in the world they are struggling to get the best out of what is on paper a very good squad. Totally disagree, i believe its the views you and others hold of nobody else would want to do it and get behind the board that has led us to where we stand. Bss is a suit, a politician, an apologist for the board. A very nice man but one who has no capacity to stick up for the fans. Lets get behind them is what everyone has been saying for our 15 year decline, two relegations etc. it does not work.
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Sept 5, 2014 17:42:05 GMT
I have supported Bristol Rovers through thick and thin for nearly 35 years having watched them play at Eastville, Twerton and the Mem and also visited a number of away games. I have seen some great football played and some atrocious stuff too but I'm bored now - not of the football as I'm a rovers fan and I'm faithful and true - but of this constant bickering and attacking of anything and everything the board does. It amazes me at just how many of our fans clearly have no idea how a football team is managed, how difficult that is and also just how much goes into running and keeping a large club like rovers afloat. The board have made mistakes, managers have made mistakes and players have let our club down. We all know that and accept that but this constant venomous criticism actually gets us nowhere. There is no large single investor out there waiting to buy the club as if there was I'm sure that Higgs et al would have sold up long ago and not put up with the stuff that is constantly thrown at them. They have the clubs best interests at hearts and do what they think is right at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure there are many decisions the board have made that they would have changed if they could but they, and only they (unless any of us out here has significant millions were ready to depart with with very little return) can get us out of this mess. In times of adversity ALL of us need to pull together, not score points at each other's expense! Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I feel the writer here has taken a cheap shot at BSS and the board without fully understanding or appreciating all that they have done. People only remember the bad and never recognise or praise the good and I would love for Nick H to turn round and say ok, you think you can do better? How about a job swap for a month - you become chairman and deal with everything and see how you fair. I'm pretty certain that they'd have a rude awakening and gain an appreciation of what it's really like. As for the stadium, having worked in commercial and contract law I know exactly what non Disclosure Agreements mean and the types of confidentiality clauses that exist and why Nick has been silent or indicated no issues when there have been problems. If he divulged all or some of it his negotiating position suddenly becomes weaker as it exposes gaps in the defence, heightens pressure from fans who, without knowing full stories start demanding all sorts. Nick has played it by the book and so he should - cos if he didn't we'd have no chance and would probably end up being sued for breach of confidentiality which would cost multi-millions that we don't have. So in summary, let's stop all this in fighting and get behind the club and all within it as all of us are the cause of our demise - the board, managers, players and fans alike and before anyone questions whether the fans have had a part to play, we have as it is us who write, shout and shatter confidence when certain players are off form. The players know when they have played poorly or done wrong and don't need constant reminding - instead they need encouragement to improve. Yes there are times when it is clear that a player is not up to scratch but that's the managers job to deal with it however he feels best. Having managed teams I know how difficult it is and just look at Man Utd, even with one of the best managers in the world they are struggling to get the best out of what is on paper a very good squad. Totally disagree, i believe its the views you and others hold of nobody else would want to do it and get behind the board that has led us to where we stand. Bss is a suit, a politician, an apologist for the board. A very nice man but one who has no capacity to stick up for the fans. Lets get behind them is what everyone has been saying for our 15 year decline, two relegations etc. it does not work. Dinsdale, all well and good. So imagine you are now the chairman and it's your money being drained - what exactly would you do? Football is a business like no other in that 95% of clubs are sustained by their boards and make losses year in and year out, so in the absence of anyone wanting to chuck money at BRFC, the comment that we are stuck with the board is about right. I think I'm right in stating that the only Premier League club with no losses is Tottenham and that will change if/when they have to fund their new stadium, just like it messed up Arsenal financially for a few years. I'm not a board apologist, but I certainly have no idea how to improve things - although I have a sneaking suspicion the team may do rather well this season. So would you be a happy chappie if we did go straight back up? What I do agree with is that this constant moaning at the board needs to stop - it achieves absolutely nothing - Better to try and work with them, make constructive suggestions and see where that takes us
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