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Post by Finnish Gas on Jul 15, 2015 8:53:30 GMT
Plan B - What would be your way foward?
1. I would not take Sainsbury's to appeal when the chances of success are in reality very weak - we just have to take it on the chin however much disdain we have for FTSE100 bullies and shysters.
2. We need to pro-actively market the Mem for housing putting in a planning application for residential as soon as possible.
3. We need to hold immediate discussions with UWE to drastically revamp the UWE Stadium scheme into more of a "sports village complex" to incorporate the following elements:
- a 22,000 capacity All Seater Stadium
- Student Residential Accommodation
- a Local Convenience Store (not Sainsbury's)
- a Hotel
- Health & Fitness suites
- other social and leisure facilities
This will of course entail a further planning application.
4. We need to undertake detailed discussions with South Gloucestershire Council's Chief Executive and Economic Development Team to unlock further funding and to get SGC firmly on board.
5. We should be looking to achieve a breakdown in funding of the following order:
Sale of Mem for housing - £15 million
Profits from Student Residential Accommodation, Local Convenience Store, Hotel & ancillaries - £15 million
Grants etc - £5 million
Pump-prime funding from SGC - £5 million
BRFC BOD contribution - £5 million
TOTAL - £45million.
A major new investor in my view is not going to "breeze in" unless the stadium project is underway. We have a tremendous club but we need dynamic leadership at this moment in time more than ever. I hope that NH, TW and the Board are actively arranging "their alternative plan(s)" with both skill and haste.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:46:45 GMT
So you're suddenly expecting UWE to stump up half the cost?
Someone should tell them.
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jul 15, 2015 12:42:58 GMT
So you're suddenly expecting UWE to stump up half the cost? Someone should tell them. No I am suggesting a different form of development on the same UWE Stadium site which includes "substantial enabling development" (in other words contributions from the Student Residential Accommodation, Local Convenience Store, Hotel & ancillaries) which funds a significant portion of the Stadium element of the scheme. UWE would not be stumping up half the cost - in fact there could be a "profit element" for the UWE depending on how the scheme is configured. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:06:08 GMT
So you're suddenly expecting UWE to stump up half the cost? Someone should tell them. No I am suggesting a different form of development on the same UWE Stadium site which includes "substantial enabling development" (in other words contributions from the Student Residential Accommodation, Local Convenience Store, Hotel & ancillaries) which funds a significant portion of the Stadium element of the scheme. UWE would not be stumping up half the cost - in fact there could be a "profit element" for the UWE depending on how the scheme is configured. It may be worth you sending your thoughts to Steve.West@uwe.ac.uk who is vice chair of the UWE, would be interesting to know what response you get if you decide to make contact. |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jul 15, 2015 13:21:24 GMT
A good start might be to shelve the over ambitious plans for a 21,000 seater stadium which will cost £30 million plus, and look at building something like this Different Stadium These types of stadiums can be made bigger if and when we climb the football ladder. The NY Stadium at Rotherham cost £20 million and would be more suited to us at the moment. |
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Post by crater on Jul 15, 2015 13:23:06 GMT
Buy loads of scratch cards and lucky dips and cross fingers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:29:12 GMT
Buy loads of scratch cards and lucky dips and cross fingers Whilst you are here Nick, have you decided about going to appeal yet? I find the number 5 scratch cards offer a decent winning chance. |
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jul 15, 2015 14:38:29 GMT
A good start might be to shelve the over ambitious plans for a 21,000 seater stadium which will cost £30 million plus, and look at building something like this Different Stadium These types of stadiums can be made bigger if and when we climb the football ladder. The NY Stadium at Rotherham cost £20 million and would be more suited to us at the moment. We are constrained by Local Plan policies (the South Gloucestershire local plan 2006): Major Sports Stadia LC6 - ONE MAJOR ALL SEATER SPORTS STADIUM WILL BE PERMITTED
PROVIDED THAT:- A. IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR A MINIMUM OF 20,000 SPECTATORS
AND A RANGE OF SPORTING ACTIVITIES INCLUDING
ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL AND OTHER ACTIVITIES; AND B. THE SITE IS OR WILL BE HIGHLY ACCESSIBLE BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND WOULD NOT GIVE RISE TO UNACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD NETWORK TO THE DETRIMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY; AND C. AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF PARKING PROVISION IS MADE FOR THE EXPECTED NUMBER OF VISITORS; AND D. DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT HAVE UNACCEPTABLE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS; AND E. DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT UNACCEPTABLY PREJUDICE THE AMENITIES OF NEIGHBOURING RESIDENTIAL OCCUPIERS AND WOULD ENSURE THE AVAILABILITY OF FACILITIES FOR COMMUNITY USE. 10.52 ....... 10.53 The Council is not currently in the position of being able to allocate a
specific site and has therefore included a criteria based policy which
potential developers of major stadia must address and satisfy. The policy
includes a minimum size requirement and the need for all seater provision
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 14:47:04 GMT
I've just had a word with the VC and he said "Aye, go on then, it's not like the Tories have massively cut our funding".
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Post by csssmooth on Jul 15, 2015 15:00:00 GMT
I would just say get on with being a decent football team at the level we're at, keep improving, those edge of town grounds are all soulless rubbish and we never really wanted one anyway
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 15:00:54 GMT
Plan B - What would be your way foward?1. I would not take Sainsbury's to appeal when the chances of success are in reality very weak - we just have to take it on the chin however much disdain we have for FTSE100 bullies and shysters. 2. We need to pro-actively market the Mem for housing putting in a planning application for residential as soon as possible. 3. We need to hold immediate discussions with UWE to drastically revamp the UWE Stadium scheme into more of a " sports village complex" to incorporate the following elements: - a 22,000 capacity All Seater Stadium
- Student Residential Accommodation
- a Local Convenience Store (not Sainsbury's)
- a Hotel
- Health & Fitness suites
- other social and leisure facilitiesThis will of course entail a further planning application. 4. We need to undertake detailed discussions with South Gloucestershire Council's Chief Executive and Economic Development Team to unlock further funding and to get SGC firmly on board. 5. We should be looking to achieve a breakdown in funding of the following order: Sale of Mem for housing - £15 millionProfits from Student Residential Accommodation, Local Convenience Store, Hotel & ancillaries - £15 million Grants etc - £5 millionPump-prime funding from SGC - £5 millionBRFC BOD contribution - £5 millionTOTAL - £45million. A major new investor in my view is not going to "breeze in" unless the stadium project is underway. We have a tremendous club but we need dynamic leadership at this moment in time more than ever. I hope that NH, TW and the Board are actively arranging "their alternative plan(s)" with both skill and haste. That is a very good plan B. But its not simple enough for our board to get their heads around. Funding from SGC would be a problem considering the mass overspending from 1997 to 2010 by people who couldn't run 10 yards let alone a Country. Hence cuts!
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Post by LPGas on Jul 15, 2015 15:05:22 GMT
Plan B - What would be your way foward?1. I would not take Sainsbury's to appeal when the chances of success are in reality very weak - we just have to take it on the chin however much disdain we have for FTSE100 bullies and shysters. 2. We need to pro-actively market the Mem for housing putting in a planning application for residential as soon as possible. 3. We need to hold immediate discussions with UWE to drastically revamp the UWE Stadium scheme into more of a " sports village complex" to incorporate the following elements: - a 22,000 capacity All Seater Stadium
- Student Residential Accommodation
- a Local Convenience Store (not Sainsbury's)
- a Hotel
- Health & Fitness suites
- other social and leisure facilitiesThis will of course entail a further planning application. 4. We need to undertake detailed discussions with South Gloucestershire Council's Chief Executive and Economic Development Team to unlock further funding and to get SGC firmly on board. 5. We should be looking to achieve a breakdown in funding of the following order: Sale of Mem for housing - £15 millionProfits from Student Residential Accommodation, Local Convenience Store, Hotel & ancillaries - £15 million Grants etc - £5 millionPump-prime funding from SGC - £5 millionBRFC BOD contribution - £5 millionTOTAL - £45million. A major new investor in my view is not going to "breeze in" unless the stadium project is underway. We have a tremendous club but we need dynamic leadership at this moment in time more than ever. I hope that NH, TW and the Board are actively arranging "their alternative plan(s)" with both skill and haste. I think something like this could work. The fact that the Mem has planning permission for a store and housing is a bonus. This could be tweaked perhaps for 2 or 3 smaller stores, or just one smaller store and more housing, or gym complex, whatever I think we could get more than £15 mill for it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 15:27:52 GMT
The Memorial Stadium, at the most, is worth the equivalent per acre of prime building land with the relevant planning permission.
How many acres is the Mem? 5/6 acres? Building land £1.25 million per acre??
IMO we should get the Football League grants, revamp The Dump and keep on dreaming.
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Post by Thatslife on Jul 15, 2015 17:05:18 GMT
Nobody needs to have a plan "B" as Henbury Gas has got one already:)
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 15, 2015 17:18:09 GMT
Sell the land for housing, tell the football club to f**k off to Twerton, and get my money back.
EDIT - s**t, used wrong login
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Post by droitwichgas on Jul 15, 2015 18:00:27 GMT
A good start might be to shelve the over ambitious plans for a 21,000 seater stadium which will cost £30 million plus, and look at building something like this Different Stadium These types of stadiums can be made bigger if and when we climb the football ladder. The NY Stadium at Rotherham cost £20 million and would be more suited to us at the moment. We are constrained by Local Plan policies (the South Gloucestershire local plan 2006): Major Sports Stadia LC6 - ONE MAJOR ALL SEATER SPORTS STADIUM WILL BE PERMITTED
PROVIDED THAT:- A. IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR A MINIMUM OF 20,000 SPECTATORS
AND A RANGE OF SPORTING ACTIVITIES INCLUDING
ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL AND OTHER ACTIVITIES; AND B. THE SITE IS OR WILL BE HIGHLY ACCESSIBLE BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND WOULD NOT GIVE RISE TO UNACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD NETWORK TO THE DETRIMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY; AND C. AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF PARKING PROVISION IS MADE FOR THE EXPECTED NUMBER OF VISITORS; AND D. DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT HAVE UNACCEPTABLE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS; AND E. DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT UNACCEPTABLY PREJUDICE THE AMENITIES OF NEIGHBOURING RESIDENTIAL OCCUPIERS AND WOULD ENSURE THE AVAILABILITY OF FACILITIES FOR COMMUNITY USE. 10.52 ....... 10.53 The Council is not currently in the position of being able to allocate a
specific site and has therefore included a criteria based policy which
potential developers of major stadia must address and satisfy. The policy
includes a minimum size requirement and the need for all seater provision
to meet the requirements of professional sports organisations. ...... Would S Glos really turn down plans for a revised 12,000/15,000 stadium if it meant there would never be any stadium in their county? It seems to me a smaller, expandable, stadium suites everybody as we'd never fill a big one and UWE are more likely to get use out of 10,000 stadium for Varsity games etc than one double the size. In fact with AG having such a big capacity it would be the ideal smaller venue in the area. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 18:17:57 GMT
How about this. Knock down the Centenary Stand and replace it with a massive fish tank and then build The Kop on top of the Filton Bank Terrace?  |
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Post by crater on Jul 15, 2015 18:19:58 GMT
Buy loads of scratch cards and lucky dips and cross fingers Whilst you are here Nick, have you decided about going to appeal yet? I find the number 5 scratch cards offer a decent winning chance. Looks like we could be there. Just received an email advising that I have won the Nigerian state lottery. Strange as I don't recall buying a ticket but hey you make your own luck in this world. I just need to send the good people in Lagos my bank details and the money should be in my account within 3 working days. |
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jul 15, 2015 20:43:41 GMT
We can't go on with these pipe-dream projects which have cost the clubs millions in the last 10 years and could put the club in serious trouble. Sadly : I have said many times that the Opal student deal ( revamp MEM) won't work and argued this on the old forum. And I argued with some pro Higgs board backers this UWE deal will fail. I don't delight in these failures but it seldom happens in life someone else pays for our dreams. All these suggestions quite frankly sound like a wish list from Walter Mitty. So can we please be realistic and grounded. No -one will pay for a large scale project and it needs exiting now. In regards to a local authority contributing some funding is laughable. South Gloucestershire council are cutting youth provision : library's : care services and other front line services. The latest cuts suggested for the next few years in a recent union meeting is £40 million as starters.
So what have we got ? And what are small aims ? . We own a ground and are a 4th division team. Our ground holds 11000 but lacks family facilities.
What can we do to improve - What are small objectives ?. We can apply to the now football foundation for funding towards a south stand provision. We are entitled to nearly £1 million but could get up to 50% matched funding. We could evaluate in 3 years time once a modest size stand is built.
This would improve the ground increase capacity to around 13000.
We would need to apply and start work by May 1st 2016 to safeguard the football status criteria. Can we not have anymore about big projects but focus on realistic achievable plans. If the club wants we could fill in the forms and call the new stand ' The young Pirates community stand ' . This is what Kiddeminster community fans did !.
The next stage could involve a fan base community group seeking funding from various organisations for other small ground improvements. So a 5 years realistic plan could involve the following.
1) Football foundation grant for 2000 south Stand. ( 1-2 years )
2) Roof for away fans and seated away end ( 2-4 years )
3) In consultation with fans a seated north stand ( 5 years ).
This will make the MEM a basic looking 13000 stadium : mostly seated and paid largely by grants / funding. Then hopefully we could get a top 10 division one side playing in it like in 2010...
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 15, 2015 20:56:16 GMT
onedaytheuwe - a very realistic piece. I just think we would need a new Board to implement it.
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