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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 8:00:05 GMT
That's me convinced: the guy's been a triumph and we should ignore any other criterion, however seemingly reasonable, that might indicate otherwise. Onwards to more of the same, please!  This is a classic reply to the problem with a lot of football fans.
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years.
I remember when a group wanted to take over the club and told the largest shareholder and provider of the largest loan that he would have no say in the running of the club.
He quiet rightly told them to go away. Now if that group agreed to buy his shares and repay his loans then there was no problem as far as I was concerned.
I'm sure Mr Abromovich(?) would love being told how he should spend his investment by Chelsea fans.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 21, 2015 8:14:13 GMT
That's me convinced: the guy's been a triumph and we should ignore any other criterion, however seemingly reasonable, that might indicate otherwise. Onwards to more of the same, please! This is a classic reply to the problem with a lot of football fans.
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years.
I remember when a group wanted to take over the club and told the largest shareholder and provider of the largest loan that he would have no say in the running of the club.
He quiet rightly told them to go away. Now if that group agreed to buy his shares and repay his loans then there was no problem as far as I was concerned.
I'm sure Mr Abromovich(?) would love being told how he should spend his investment by Chelsea fanxs.
NH can lose all his money on Rovers if he wants. Yes some have wanted Geoff, Nick whomever gone, but the majority of the limited few as you put it have spent years suggesting the club be run better so x individual didnt lose or waste so much of their personal fortune Yes they have.made mistakes and admitted some of them. However the problem at Rovers seems to have been actually learning from them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 8:52:10 GMT
This is a classic reply to the problem with a lot of football fans.
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years.
I remember when a group wanted to take over the club and told the largest shareholder and provider of the largest loan that he would have no say in the running of the club.
He quiet rightly told them to go away. Now if that group agreed to buy his shares and repay his loans then there was no problem as far as I was concerned.
I'm sure Mr Abromovich(?) would love being told how he should spend his investment by Chelsea fans.
I think you might be trying to reinvent history here. Indeed, a complete mis representation
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 21, 2015 18:17:20 GMT
This is a classic reply to the problem with a lot of football fans.
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years.
I remember when a group wanted to take over the club and told the largest shareholder and provider of the largest loan that he would have no say in the running of the club.
He quiet rightly told them to go away. Now if that group agreed to buy his shares and repay his loans then there was no problem as far as I was concerned.
I'm sure Mr Abromovich(?) would love being told how he should spend his investment by Chelsea fanxs.
NH can lose all his money on Rovers if he wants. Yes some have wanted Geoff, Nick whomever gone, but the majority of the limited few as you put it have spent years suggesting the club be run better so x individual didnt lose or waste so much of their personal fortune Yes they have.made mistakes and admitted some of them. However the problem at Rovers seems to have been actually learning from them. Of course no one will mind how much an individual spends on the club they support but they will mind when that spending turns into a debt that threatens the existence of the club if that individual suddenly decides they have had enough and want their money back. As a number have commented previously what is difficult to understand is that supposedly successful businessmen appear unable to learn from previous mistakes of the past by putting the club further into debt and take offence when others question their competence. Little if anything has been revealed to us about the so called review undertaken by the club following the relegation to non league other than we didn't score enough goals. Oh and there was even the suggestion that they had learnt that they needed to communicate with the fans more and would provide regular Q&A sessions following the indiscriminate closing of the former Official Fans Forum , perhaps they'll start them this season now we've got promotion and won't feel so threatened  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 21:53:31 GMT
This is a classic reply to the problem with a lot of football fans.
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years.
I remember when a group wanted to take over the club and told the largest shareholder and provider of the largest loan that he would have no say in the running of the club.
He quiet rightly told them to go away. Now if that group agreed to buy his shares and repay his loans then there was no problem as far as I was concerned.
I'm sure Mr Abromovich(?) would love being told how he should spend his investment by Chelsea fans.
I think you might be trying to reinvent history here. Absolutely the case and a very good chance the reason he hears no dissent in the West Stand is because he is in Box 1 of the West Stand. An incredible defence of consistent failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 22:24:55 GMT
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years. That's just making excuses for failure. He's had more than enough revenue just from gate receipts to keep Rovers mid-table in L1. How much of the money he has put in has been has been in the form of loans and secured against our stadium? Now he's had a huge windfall from the final home game being sold out, a sold out play off home match and half of all the gate receipts from around 30,000 people at Wembley. No excuses for any losses next season with all of that extraordinary income. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 21, 2015 23:06:18 GMT
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years. That's just making excuses for failure. He's had more than enough revenue just from gate receipts to keep Rovers mid-table in L1. How much of the money he has put in has been has been in the form of loans and secured against our stadium? Now he's had a huge windfall from the final home game being sold out, a sold out play off home match and half of all the gate receipts from around 30,000 people at Wembley. No excuses for any losses next season with all of that extraordinary income. This does rather make me smile though, the money we are being told is being put in to keep us 'afloat' is only having to be put in because of the incompetence of the current board of Directors whose management of the club has put us in such a dire financial position. Not only that but the money isn't being given to us is it, it has to be paid back and with interest and it's me along with many thousands of other fans who have to pay it. I mean it's not as if the money that has been put in has been invested into providing us with a successful team. We've been incredibly fortunate that we have had a competent manager that has provided us with a successful conclusion to this season despite having his budget cut quite drastically. |
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Post by strung out on Jun 22, 2015 15:17:16 GMT
I said he has made mistakes and is accountable for these, but it does not alter the fact it is his money that has kept the club afloat for the last three years. That's just making excuses for failure. He's had more than enough revenue just from gate receipts to keep Rovers mid-table in L1. How much of the money he has put in has been has been in the form of loans and secured against our stadium? Now he's had a huge windfall from the final home game being sold out, a sold out play off home match and half of all the gate receipts from around 30,000 people at Wembley. No excuses for any losses next season with all of that extraordinary income. Don't forget all the merchandise sold from our Wembley appearance too...! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 16:49:27 GMT
That's just making excuses for failure. He's had more than enough revenue just from gate receipts to keep Rovers mid-table in L1. How much of the money he has put in has been has been in the form of loans and secured against our stadium? Now he's had a huge windfall from the final home game being sold out, a sold out play off home match and half of all the gate receipts from around 30,000 people at Wembley. No excuses for any losses next season with all of that extraordinary income. Don't forget all the merchandise sold from our Wembley appearance too...! Yeah right.... In any normal business the person in charge of retail would lose his job. Steve Burns was shown the door, and he did nothing wrong, but Barry will just carry on as if nothing ever happened, and then to top it all off, some idiots think we should be grateful because directors put in loans to cover losses, most of which are totally avoidable. There you go Henbury, does that meet the criteria for a hidden agenda? |
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 22, 2015 20:24:27 GMT
Don't forget all the merchandise sold from our Wembley appearance too...! Yeah right.... In any normal business the person in charge of retail would lose his job. Steve Burns was shown the door, and he did nothing wrong, but Barry will just carry on as if nothing ever happened, and then to top it all off, some idiots think we should be grateful because directors put in loans to cover losses, most of which are totally avoidable. There you go Henbury, does that meet the criteria for a hidden agenda? It appears as if there are some untouchables and no matter what happens absolutely nothing is done about it at the time or is learnt from it, the lack of merchandise and in particular the absence of any blue and white quartered shirts for fans to buy and then the inability to have season tickets ready to sell spring to mind just about sum up the apparent apathy. And yes that old chestnut, the 'hidden agenda'......the one where all we are asking for is for the club to be run successfully, yep that's the one, although we appear not to be hiding it very well.......must try harder  |
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Post by bluestickgas on Jun 22, 2015 21:13:49 GMT
I find it really interesting how people view cost and revenues and how the income received by Rovers should put us in a significantly better place than the rest of the clubs in the league. Don't get me wrong I firmly believe that the finances of the club haven't been managed particularly well over the last few years (understatement) but people forget that Bristol is one of the most expensive places outside London to in terms of costs - living expenses, charges, policing etc etc.... This does have an impact on our income and does affect the revenue stream. We could do much much better but it's not as easy as people appear to suggest
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 22, 2015 21:27:16 GMT
I find it really interesting how people view cost and revenues and how the income received by Rovers should put us in a significantly better place than the rest of the clubs in the league. Don't get me wrong I firmly believe that the finances of the club haven't been managed particularly well over the last few years (understatement) but people forget that Bristol is one of the most expensive places outside London to in terms of costs - living expenses, charges, policing etc etc.... This does have an impact on our income and does affect the revenue stream. We could do much much better but it's not as easy as people appear to suggest I understand what you are saying but does the fact we attract 2 or 3 times the level of attendances than a lot of other teams mean that it is 2 or 3 times more expensive to live in Bristol and therefore we can't compete better financially than those other teams ? |
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Post by bluestickgas on Jun 22, 2015 22:00:15 GMT
I find it really interesting how people view cost and revenues and how the income received by Rovers should put us in a significantly better place than the rest of the clubs in the league. Don't get me wrong I firmly believe that the finances of the club haven't been managed particularly well over the last few years (understatement) but people forget that Bristol is one of the most expensive places outside London to in terms of costs - living expenses, charges, policing etc etc.... This does have an impact on our income and does affect the revenue stream. We could do much much better but it's not as easy as people appear to suggest I understand what you are saying but does the fact we attract 2 or 3 times the level of attendances than a lot of other teams mean that it is 2 or 3 times more expensive to live in Bristol and therefore we can't compete better financially than those other teams ? No not at all just that when I read some comments and views it comes across that we should have the financial health that should make us like Man City or Chelsea. Guess the point I'm making is that just because our attendances are so strong it doesn't mean that our financial strength will be so significantly higher than the rest.... We should be stronger but not perhaps not 2 or 3 times stronger than the rest. Stronger probably, but not to the extent some think or make out we should be...... One thing that I think we are all united in our views are though is that we haven't managed the additional income we receive through our strong attendances to its maximum.... |
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jun 23, 2015 11:43:21 GMT
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Post by badbloodash on Jun 23, 2015 12:25:41 GMT
In the heart of Newport city ???it is my experience that no matter how hard you try you can't polish a turd |
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 23, 2015 20:34:27 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 23, 2015 20:43:16 GMT
I understand what you are saying but does the fact we attract 2 or 3 times the level of attendances than a lot of other teams mean that it is 2 or 3 times more expensive to live in Bristol and therefore we can't compete better financially than those other teams ? No not at all just that when I read some comments and views it comes across that we should have the financial health that should make us like Man City or Chelsea. Guess the point I'm making is that just because our attendances are so strong it doesn't mean that our financial strength will be so significantly higher than the rest.... We should be stronger but not perhaps not 2 or 3 times stronger than the rest. Stronger probably, but not to the extent some think or make out we should be...... One thing that I think we are all united in our views are though is that we haven't managed the additional income we receive through our strong attendances to its maximum.... That argument is lost on me as surely the cost of living doesn't effect our income streams, in fact it probably means Rovers can charge more for tickets, drinks & food & merchandise, than say teams based in the North West. We may have to pay out more in wages but I doubt we need to pay the likes of Kenneth £100K's just to attract decent players to Bristol. If we do then we really need to start bringing on more local players. |
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 24, 2015 10:39:39 GMT
I'd say NH & co have lost the support of MOST fans, if we lose the Sainsbury's case and are forced into Administration they'll lose support of ALL the fans. It seems inconceivable to me how somebody can invest millions into a football club and manage to almost bankrupt them in the process. What evidence do you have of this, around me in the West Stand I am not aware of any more than a handful of fans who want the existing Board out.
Yes, if there is a consortium that wishes to take over the club, pay off the existing Directors and provide sufficient investment for the next three years then I would be happy for them to give it a go.
NH has already indicated that he is prepared to step down if an offer is received that would be in the interest of the future of BRFC.
Do you know anyone that fits that criteria?
You say you "would be happy for them to give it a go"?
Then surely if that is what you want the current Board have lost your support as well? Are you completely happy with our situation? You would prefer someone/something different?
The current Board are in the position they are because of their decisions. Logically can it be any other way?
I think there are many people who think the same as you but defend the Board.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 24, 2015 17:03:03 GMT
So, Do you believe we should just be quiet and not give any opinion ? I note you have been very stoic in your backing of the chair and board in the past, defensive even. I once thought you may even be a board member to be honest the mistakes made in getting rid of the entire team, after the Trollope, Penney et al season seemed very harsh to me. I believe we had some decent players in amongst the wrong uns but it's only my opinion. I believed, still do, in bringing in our win youth and in building a side that didn't mean bringing out the cheque book quite so often. The crazy signing of the likes of Kenneth and others just made it worse. Sometimes being a fan doesn't make for good business. As for the debacle about not planning for relegation, I'll leave that one well alone. I have never understood blind loyalty but that's me. Its to only by building from a stable base that anything prospers. I believe in DC but my trust is not with Nick Higgs, not after the way he has openly been so brusque and overtly rude. But much of that investment has been very poorly spent and has then caused more debt. Surely even you cannot deny that the bulk of the investment has been very poorly managed and then has gone into making an already poor situation worse ? I know Nick Higgs is a fan but he chose to disengage from us and has alienated people, life long fans, from the club. I sometimes wonder how he & Barry Bradshaw have seen any business success , in their own businesses. Look how much potential revenue was just peed into the wind by not merchandising for Wembley and merchandising in general. It beggars belief can We have so many USP's yet it's the private sellers who have produced product and made money. Why can't our board just sort it out ? Whilst NH may not have got everything right, I love the premise by football fans of any football club that they feel they have the right to tell Chairman how they should spend their own money.
If I ever when the lottery, I would not want to be Chairman/CEO of BRFC and have to put up with the abuse if the slightest thing goes wrong. I've told NH, GD and RC that they are/were mad. The reply from all three was that they are passionate Gasheads and have tried to do the best for the club, even though they get abuse from a LIMITED number of supporters.
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