TaiwanGas
Paul Bannon
Tom Ramasuts Left Foot.
Joined: June 2014
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 26, 2015 4:11:10 GMT
He seems like a 6 out of 10 kind of guy. Solid and reliable but not very flash or exciting. Kind of the footballing equivalent of cottage pie. People always expect wide players to be exciting creative players for some reason - they rarely are (and even when they are they're rarely as effective as people like to think) but nevertheless the image persists and if they're not that type of player then they're normally judged a bit harshly. Michael Meaker - one good attacking performance bought him months before people realised he didn't have much about him, Mark Mckeever was loved because he used to be able to get to the byline but in most games he was very easily shut down. Wingers bring out the romantic in people for some reason - it's like you'd rather have a guy who beat 2 men and crossed the ball in twice a game but did nothing else than a guy who never did that but constantly made good decisions on the ball, tracked back well and got themselves involved. Yes attacking wing play is exciting but in terms of what it actually offers to a modern team it's very overrated which is why so few teams use them. They use guys like Monkhouse. I think Monkhouse is a good player and an asset to the side but I've not seen a standout performance from him in the game I've seen and I do remember having a bit more in his locker when he used to play against us for Hartlepool but that may be more to do with how they used him.
Ahh, Mark McKeever, the man instrumental in our drubbing of Reading 0-6, had an outstanding game that day!, one of the best away days!....
An extract from a Reading fan to remind us all :
It wasn't just all about how bad Reading were though - Bristol Rovers were amazing, and probably one of the best sides to ever play at the Madejski Stadium. Quite why they're below Reading in the table I don't know. Also their fans were probably worth at least two goals. Playing into their support during the second half fired the players up like nothing I've seen before. And the noise... the 3,000 away fans, that contributed to Reading's second highest league gate of the season, were without doubt the loudest fans ever to visit the Madejski. But they did have plenty to get excited about, 6-0 away wins don't happen too often. The majority of the home fans were out of the ground well before the fifth hit the back of the net - those that didn't were rewarded with more pain as Rovers continued to come forward. Against Bristol Rovers, it's sad to say, but we were pathetic in every way.
UTG!......
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Post by Somerset Blue on Mar 26, 2015 10:16:39 GMT
Like him .... was a good signing for us!!
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Post by mehewmagic on Mar 26, 2015 10:19:21 GMT
He seems like a 6 out of 10 kind of guy. Solid and reliable but not very flash or exciting. Kind of the footballing equivalent of cottage pie. People always expect wide players to be exciting creative players for some reason - they rarely are (and even when they are they're rarely as effective as people like to think) but nevertheless the image persists and if they're not that type of player then they're normally judged a bit harshly. Michael Meaker - one good attacking performance bought him months before people realised he didn't have much about him, Mark Mckeever was loved because he used to be able to get to the byline but in most games he was very easily shut down. Wingers bring out the romantic in people for some reason - it's like you'd rather have a guy who beat 2 men and crossed the ball in twice a game but did nothing else than a guy who never did that but constantly made good decisions on the ball, tracked back well and got themselves involved. Yes attacking wing play is exciting but in terms of what it actually offers to a modern team it's very overrated which is why so few teams use them. They use guys like Monkhouse. I think Monkhouse is a good player and an asset to the side but I've not seen a standout performance from him in the game I've seen and I do remember having a bit more in his locker when he used to play against us for Hartlepool but that may be more to do with how they used him. great analysis. Love the cottage pie reference! made I larf. maybe we could start a comfort food song about him? 'traditional' wingers really do bring out the romantic in us all! I would though say that most teams use one 'winger' and one wide midfielder.
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Post by mehewmagic on Mar 26, 2015 10:28:13 GMT
Ha yeah we are a top team that's why we are in this league,my point was he is too safe and never try's to beat a player when one on one This thread is because he scored 1 good goal last Friday,doesn't make a top player Funny how everyone was laughing when he was announced as man of the match,will struggle in league 2 you have no idea how wrong you are on that one. I have ideas / write stuff all the time, and then often come back to it, tweak it, add to it, update the stats etc. This has been around for a while. As I said in the piece I was a bit surprised he was made MoTM, although i ALWAYS add the caveat that the view from the Blackthorn is not great! I go there for the atmosphere, not the view. for clarity, I'm not saying he's amazing. I'm just putting the stats and the evidence out there and opening up a debate. I think he is a bit under appreciated, but I can see why people want more from him, which is why I've 'liked' nearly every comment on the thread, even the ones who don;t seem to like his play and there are mainly making valid points. Given the little mazy runs he did vs macclesfield and Aldershot I'd like to see him doing that a bit more. him and Brown add a balance to the team, especially when Dawson and leadbitter are on the other wing.
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LPGas
Stuart Taylor
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 1,240
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Post by LPGas on Mar 28, 2015 21:11:16 GMT
He is solid; dependable and most of all experienced.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 29, 2015 10:51:25 GMT
I would describe the situation with Andy Monkhouse as Underated by a lot of fans but Overated by the Manager. IMO he is so capable of producing so much more on the ball rather than the customary pass to Lee Brown but like the continual targeting of him by Will Puddy's clearances this is the tactic of the Manager and not necessarily the fault of the player.
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Post by pirate49 on Mar 29, 2015 11:01:06 GMT
..................... the continual targeting of him by Will Puddy's clearances this is the tactic of the Manager and not necessarily the fault of the player. This is really frustrating as one of Puddy's strengths is his distribution, so if he is being told to continually kick it to the line and Monkhouse that variety is taken away. We used to do the same when Hughes was with us...
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 29, 2015 11:12:18 GMT
It basically means that the only way a player on the right hand side is going to get the ball is to come all the way back to receive it and then have to run the length of the pitch. Puddy is a very good distributer from the hands but of course that was more risky yesterday with the wind.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2015 11:16:27 GMT
I would describe the situation with Andy Monkhouse as Underated by a lot of fans but Overated by the Manager. IMO he is so capable of producing so much more on the ball rather than the customary pass to Lee Brown but like the continual targeting of him by Will Puddy's clearances this is the tactic of the Manager and not necessarily the fault of the player. But what's the alternative with a front two of Taylor & Easter, kicking the ball up field to those two isn't an option, plus using the full backs didn't seem an option yesterday? Although why Monkhouse is so negative lately is irritating it seems he just relies on Brown overlapping to get past the opposition full back rather than beat the man himself.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 29, 2015 14:17:55 GMT
The alternative is to play a front two of Blissett and Easter and as regards Monkhouse I would think it is DC's tactic to employ Monkey in that way. Blissett might be raw but at least he provides some height and usually opponents resort to two players marking him. Taylor needs to be rested because he misses a lot more than he scores and we need to see some clinical finishing now to kill off teams. Easter is more likely to provide this.
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Post by mehewmagic on Mar 30, 2015 13:46:07 GMT
I would describe the situation with Andy Monkhouse as Underated by a lot of fans but Overated by the Manager. IMO he is so capable of producing so much more on the ball rather than the customary pass to Lee Brown but like the continual targeting of him by Will Puddy's clearances this is the tactic of the Manager and not necessarily the fault of the player. But what's the alternative with a front two of Taylor & Easter, kicking the ball up field to those two isn't an option, plus using the full backs didn't seem an option yesterday? Although why Monkhouse is so negative lately is irritating it seems he just relies on Brown overlapping to get past the opposition full back rather than beat the man himself. part of the reason of this thread was to ram home the point that Monky isn't your 'take on the full back for pace' type of player. I do wish he would dribble a bit more though as he's ad a few good 'uns.
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Post by mehewmagic on Mar 30, 2015 13:53:30 GMT
The alternative is to play a front two of Blissett and Easter and as regards Monkhouse I would think it is DC's tactic to employ Monkey in that way. Blissett might be raw but at least he provides some height and usually opponents resort to two players marking him. Taylor needs to be rested because he misses a lot more than he scores and we need to see some clinical finishing now to kill off teams. Easter is more likely to provide this. sadly I have to agree. for some matches at least. horses for courses maybe. Given the wind and rain on sat Blissett may have been a better option. I think his touch is often awful and does BASIC stuff quite badly at times, but could be useful in certain circumstances, and will get a better player with coaching / experience. I like Taylor's all round play, but 1-on-1 he usually misses. I suspect Easter won't miss many 1-on-1's. We almost need to have a rule that someone like Blissett does the dirty work, but then we always pass it to easter to score And if Taylor is also on the pitch he should be easter's support player.
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