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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 16:24:28 GMT
Of course, but I doubt that you would calculate how much you haven't spent with any given supplier and then list it out on a public forum. I don't shop at the City merchandise outlet, but I don't sit at home congratulating myself on denying them the custom. I think poor old Henbury must be having a quiet day at the shop. Agreed about Sainsbury's also, we have no idea what their defence in all of this is. Always wait until you are in possesion of all of the information before reaching any conclusions. Probably not - but if other people want to, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I agree that it is OTT to think that the money is likely to make very much difference to a business like Sainsbury's. It does make me feel better though (or rather it makes me feel less crap and less of a hypocrite) if I choose to withhold money from a business that I don't like but would otherwise use. So the City shop comparison doesn't quite stand up because I can't imagine they'd have anything you'd want to buy anyway but you may choose to buy your Rovers shirt from the club shop rather than JJB Sports (or whatever they're called now) because you like Rovers and Dave Whealen seems like a bit of a cock etc (and yes I know he doesn't own it anymore and they probably don't sell Rovers shirts anyway but hypothetically). If I'm honest I can't imagine a situation where I would be willing to see Sainsbury's side against the Clubs here. In this business, short of Nick Higgs having done a deal with beelzebub, I think I will always be on Rovers side no matter what has gone on. That doesn't mean I excuse the club from criticism for questionable decision making/deals or the board from accountability. But I think I will always see the club favourably in this fight because ultimately I care about Rovers and I don't give a flying toss about Sainsbury's and it's pretty clear that this is a 'win or bust' situation. So even if it turns out Sainsbury's have behaved like angels and we have tried to screw them over and they have a perfect defence I don't think it would effect my opinion of who should win. I will always think Rovers should win; we are the good guys because we are Rovers there is no other reason. A bit pathetic it might be but at least it's an honest acknowledgement of bias. It's a bit like the current Clarkson fuss or Liverpool fans defending Steven Gerrard; actions appear pretty straight forwardly indefensible and worthy of the punishment they received. But people like them for other reasons and so will defend them in the face of overwhelming evidence in a way they wouldn't anyone else. I don't desire to have a rational view of Rovers - that's not what I'm in it for so I don't really care what Sainsburys have to say in their defence; it won't effect my view that we are in the right and deserve to win. But, equally, I don't think they aimed to actively screw over Rovers and I see a reaction to circumstances not a vindictive decision to screw us over; we were quite happy to use their sneaky tactics when it suited our purposes. Not that any this really matters of course - we are way beyond any of it now; it is one day, a set of arguments and a judge. I think we all share the 'Rovers bias', and I agree, the frustration if we lose will be that we have got ourselves into that position in the first place. But if it turns out to be a problem of our own making I'll struggle to hold that against Sainsbury's. Clarkeson, it's just entertainment, for the BBC to fine or dismiss him is all part of the show. He's a highly intelligent man, he knows full well, as do his employers, who will react in what way to his latest (scheduled) outburst.
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Post by irishrover on Mar 25, 2015 17:38:27 GMT
Probably not - but if other people want to, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I agree that it is OTT to think that the money is likely to make very much difference to a business like Sainsbury's. It does make me feel better though (or rather it makes me feel less crap and less of a hypocrite) if I choose to withhold money from a business that I don't like but would otherwise use. So the City shop comparison doesn't quite stand up because I can't imagine they'd have anything you'd want to buy anyway but you may choose to buy your Rovers shirt from the club shop rather than JJB Sports (or whatever they're called now) because you like Rovers and Dave Whealen seems like a bit of a cock etc (and yes I know he doesn't own it anymore and they probably don't sell Rovers shirts anyway but hypothetically). If I'm honest I can't imagine a situation where I would be willing to see Sainsbury's side against the Clubs here. In this business, short of Nick Higgs having done a deal with beelzebub, I think I will always be on Rovers side no matter what has gone on. That doesn't mean I excuse the club from criticism for questionable decision making/deals or the board from accountability. But I think I will always see the club favourably in this fight because ultimately I care about Rovers and I don't give a flying toss about Sainsbury's and it's pretty clear that this is a 'win or bust' situation. So even if it turns out Sainsbury's have behaved like angels and we have tried to screw them over and they have a perfect defence I don't think it would effect my opinion of who should win. I will always think Rovers should win; we are the good guys because we are Rovers there is no other reason. A bit pathetic it might be but at least it's an honest acknowledgement of bias. It's a bit like the current Clarkson fuss or Liverpool fans defending Steven Gerrard; actions appear pretty straight forwardly indefensible and worthy of the punishment they received. But people like them for other reasons and so will defend them in the face of overwhelming evidence in a way they wouldn't anyone else. I don't desire to have a rational view of Rovers - that's not what I'm in it for so I don't really care what Sainsburys have to say in their defence; it won't effect my view that we are in the right and deserve to win. But, equally, I don't think they aimed to actively screw over Rovers and I see a reaction to circumstances not a vindictive decision to screw us over; we were quite happy to use their sneaky tactics when it suited our purposes. Not that any this really matters of course - we are way beyond any of it now; it is one day, a set of arguments and a judge. I think we all share the 'Rovers bias', and I agree, the frustration if we lose will be that we have got ourselves into that position in the first place. But if it turns out to be a problem of our own making I'll struggle to hold that against Sainsbury's. Clarkeson, it's just entertainment, for the BBC to fine or dismiss him is all part of the show. He's a highly intelligent man, he knows full well, as do his employers, who will react in what way to his latest (scheduled) outburst. Well exactly - I don't really want to get into that but I was just referring to the way people will defend things/people they care about beyond what they'd normally considered acceptable. Football fans are a classic example of this, you can hear it on 606 all the time. One week one set of fans will ring up calling an opposition player a cheat for diving in the box the next week they'll ring up to defend their own player against the same accusations. But, yes, there's a big difference between me wanting Rovers to do well and win this case and my judgement of the people that run Rovers. I don't think some people can make that distinction so everything becomes 'you're either with us or against us'. Obviously if we lose this case it primarily represents a monumental failure on behalf of the people who run the club. Given that will be close to a terminal failure for Rovers I can't help but believe/hope we're going to be successful here. The point is, I don't want us to be here and I think it's terrible that the club appears to be in this kind of all or nothing position because I have the old fashioned view that the club is primarily a community institution so I object to its future being gambled on like this by its current owners/trustees. But, nevertheless, this is the situation and I don't see an alternative but to side completely with the club here.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 25, 2015 17:50:00 GMT
I never go to Sainsbury's, and haven't met Geoff Boycott, so I guess I can't offer much to this thread...
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