basel
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Post by basel on Jun 5, 2014 20:18:49 GMT
What's the point of the two posts above this by 'onedaytheuwe'?
is it a new forum thing I don't get perhaps?
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Post by womble on Jun 5, 2014 20:26:43 GMT
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jun 5, 2014 20:30:05 GMT
Martynhopkirk
As someone who use to work for South Gloucestershire. Are you sure you are not getting things mixed up with a process already undertaken ?. Way back in February 2012 Bristol Rovers submitted plans to build a ground on the UWE site. For 3 months the UWE at to have full consultation with the local community outlining the project. The independent report was sent to S.G and was published in May 2012. Another 3 months was required to take the plans to a full committee in July 2012. The group voted a massive 12-1 in favour to support project. The club then waited another 2 months before a full J.R kicked in around September 2012. It wasn:t until early 2013 the UWE site was given the green light almost 12 months after different avenues you already stated.
My understanding of the pre=commencement planning use to be a 100 set checklist which would have started 2 years ago. This includes things like Site identification : photographs of site: feastabilty study: gas access:fuel access: oh 106 agreement. Number 92 was always ' START ON SITE DATE'. Of course I have no knowledge the extent the checklist is ticked and approved but I would say quite far down now. It is true big building companies have found the PCP;s full of red tape and have argued they hold back developments. However LA;s have justified the PCP;s because of pressure to speed things up.
I think South Gloucestershire would want a free £40 million stadium to show off don:t you. And I would be amazed if they played up now...
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jun 5, 2014 20:30:52 GMT
Marty. I guess you are trying to be helpful, but your comments reveal that you are pretty out of touch with the particular circumstances here. It would take too long to fully explain the progress to date, but you are a little behind where the UWE stadium plan is (about 2 years).. There are some details missing, but here's the layman's update: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UWE_Stadium
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Post by aghast on Jun 5, 2014 20:35:34 GMT
"However, for now I can tell you that we are in the process of submitting the pre-commencement planning conditions to South Gloucestershire Council to clear the way for work to begin on the site. We are also working on the outstanding items with UWE."
I might have missed something along the way, but where did these "pre-commencement planning condition" hurdles come from? At one point a few weeks ago, the diggers were revving up, supposedly. The English Heritage thing then knocked the project back a bit, but this is a new one on me. We have to prepare and submit more documents to a council which will have to review, debate, approve (or disapprove) them, as well as dealing with "outstanding issues" with UWE.
This saga makes the Hundred Years War look like a quick punch-up outside the pub on a Saturday night.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jun 5, 2014 20:42:38 GMT
Yeah I think Marty is getting confused not knowing the JR period ended on the UWE over a year ago. Also they undertook every process he mentioned like Consultation : full committee and JR and post report.
Like I said the PCP use to be a 100 checklist exercise . I dont know but I would say we are 80-90 along now. Of course there could be stumbling blocks on the last few. However: I get the feeling we are within months of a start date only my opinion of course...
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jun 5, 2014 20:50:52 GMT
Yeah I think Marty is getting confused not knowing the JR period ended on the UWE over a year ago. Also they undertook every process he mentioned like Consultation : full committee and JR and post report. Like I said the PCP use to be a 100 checklist exercise . I dont know but I would say we are 80-90 along now. Of course there could be stumbling blocks on the last few. However: I get the feeling we are within months of a start date only my opinion of course... Aghast You might laugh but one check was 'Display signs to site with relevant times and dates'. If you have 100 things to sign off. Some would need to be re-visited based on break in times. Like I said its everything from site reports: to eco studies: to 106: to water gas sewage etc... Once you are down the list around 90ish . A start date can go in ?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jun 5, 2014 21:09:34 GMT
Marty - I take it all back. Thanks to your link I took a look at the "Decision Notice" when S Glos granted planning permission for the Stadium. There are a significant number of clauses that start;"Prior to commencement......." issues such as fencing plan, drainage plan, ecology report, construction environmental management plan, etc. all need to be submitted in writing and approved by the council. I don't doubt that many of these are relatively straightforward and follow on from the details in the planning submission itself. Indeed many have probably been completed. However, some conditions can only be performed/satisfied in the immediate run up to construction and need written approval from the council.
From all of this, I would infer that following the successful (Sainsbury's) JR outcome, there have been ongoing discussions/negotiations between Rovers, UWE and the South Glos Council on final construction details. All of which is pretty understandable for a building project of this size.
[+ I should read what onedaytheuwe says prior to posting!]
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Post by martyhopkirk on Jun 5, 2014 21:15:38 GMT
I would take the planning portal information over Wikipedia (known to be flawed) any day. If it's not on the planning portal planning permission has not been submitted - I'm sure the Council would welcome the development, but due process still has to be followed.
Marty...
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basel
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Post by basel on Jun 5, 2014 21:22:54 GMT
Martynhopkirk As someone who use to work for South Gloucestershire. Are you sure you are not getting things mixed up with a process already undertaken ?. Way back in February 2012 Bristol Rovers submitted plans to build a ground on the UWE site. For 3 months the UWE at to have full consultation with the local community outlining the project. The independent report was sent to S.G and was published in May 2012. Another 3 months was required to take the plans to a full committee in July 2012. The group voted a massive 12-1 in favour to support project. The club then waited another 2 months before a full J.R kicked in around September 2012. It wasn:t until early 2013 the UWE site was given the green light almost 12 months after different avenues you already stated. My understanding of the pre=commencement planning use to be a 100 set checklist which would have started 2 years ago. This includes things like Site identification : photographs of site: feastabilty study: gas access:fuel access: oh 106 agreement. Number 92 was always ' START ON SITE DATE'. Of course I have no knowledge the extent the checklist is ticked and approved but I would say quite far down now. It is true big building companies have found the PCP;s full of red tape and have argued they hold back developments. However LA;s have justified the PCP;s because of pressure to speed things up. I think South Gloucestershire would want a free £40 million stadium to show off don:t you. And I would be amazed if they played up now... Thanks for the information onedaytheuwe.
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Post by martyhopkirk on Jun 5, 2014 21:28:47 GMT
There will need to be two separate and interdependent planning submissions made. One for the change of use and redevelopment of the Memorial ground and the new site at the UWE. These will be made to by two different LA's with conflicting demands with no interdependencies.
Marty...
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ricardo
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Post by ricardo on Jun 5, 2014 23:15:12 GMT
I wonder whether the conference will have an issue with us moving to the new ground mid-season?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jun 6, 2014 0:06:02 GMT
There will need to be two separate and interdependent planning submissions made. One for the change of use and redevelopment of the Memorial ground and the new site at the UWE. These will be made to by two different LA's with conflicting demands with no interdependencies. Marty... Marty. Either you are being deliberately obtuse, or you are making a bit of a fool of yourself now. I posted the Wiki page for your benefit as a simple summary of progress. For one last time: Planning submission for UWE Stadium development was made by Bristol Rovers to S Glos Council in March 2012 Permission granted 19th July 2012 Ref PT12/0888/F (check the documents on the planning portal you posted the link for) Secretary of State approval received, S106 signed, No Judicial Review required. Planning submission for redevelopment of Memorial Stadium made by Sainsbury's to Bristol City Council in May 2012 Permission Granted Jan 2013 Secretary of State approval received September 2013 (on final days of JR period) TRASHorfield launch call for Judicial Review. Permission grated for JR. JR held 13th March 2014. Dismissed 20th March 2014 May 2014 Appeal made to English Heritage to list stadium (and prevent development) - EH declined application - appeal made to Minister to review decision , believe this has also been declined.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 6, 2014 4:50:07 GMT
Outstanding items with UWE wouldnt be hthe debt situation would it?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jun 6, 2014 7:06:09 GMT
Outstanding items with UWE wouldnt be hthe debt situation would it? I hope not!! As many of the pre-commencement conditions will involve UWE as will all on-site activities, I'd hope that this is just contractor, client and landowner getting everything straight before mobilising on site. There's a lot of "hopes" in there!!
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