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Post by harrybuckle on Jun 5, 2014 5:48:24 GMT
He was once a Stoke City associate schoolboy and had two good seasons with our Under 18s winning the cup and league. He has gained FL experience and with good coaching must be a good prospect in my view.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 5, 2014 6:42:03 GMT
Why would Hull City want to sign a player that some people on this message board don't rate. Does this a) say anything about Hull City or b) say anything about a football message board? Come on, matey, that's disingenuous posting of the highest order. You could go to any board on the planet and make that sort of response to any post that wasn't firmly behind something a prem (or other decent) team did. It makes it look like you're only here to show everyone how reasonable and balanced you are as opposed to actually discussing stuff. If you only want official prem teams' opinions you should probably just read the news instead. Besides all that, we all watched Santos all season, did we? You didn't and Hull didn't.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 5, 2014 6:44:46 GMT
It's amazing what a good bit of coaching can do. I would imagine Hull will have the time to work on his upper body strength and his crossing. He is only 19 after all.
Plenty saying they don't see a PL player in him. Give me a break. He obviously has something or Hull would not be sniffing around. Maybe it's our inability to look beyond what we actually have thats hinders us. How else can we explain so many players going onto better things after they leave us? (and Yes, League 2 football is now better than us)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 7:00:44 GMT
Hull City, like many clubs, sign a lot of players for their development squads that will never see the light of day. Just recently they signed a lad from Dulwich Hamlet, a lad from Folkestone Invicta and signed and trialled numerous others from up and down the pyramid. They're making a big push in the U21 area and want depth and numbers in that department.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 7:01:57 GMT
It's amazing what a good bit of coaching can do. I would imagine Hull will have the time to would work on his upper body strength and his crossing. He is only 19 after all. Plenty saying they don't see a PL player in him. Give me a break. He obviously has something or Hull would not be sniffing around. Maybe it's our inability to look beyond what we actually have thats hinders us. How else can we explain so many players going onto better things after they leave us? (and Yes, League 2 football is now better than us) Agree with this Who would have thought Lambo would be a Top premier Player ending up at the world cup with England and be the Golden boot winner at the end of the Tournament, When he arrived at our club many moons ago ??
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 5, 2014 7:04:53 GMT
It's amazing what a good bit of coaching can do. I would imagine Hull will have the time to would work on his upper body strength and his crossing. He is only 19 after all. Plenty saying they don't see a PL player in him. Give me a break. He obviously has something or Hull would not be sniffing around. Maybe it's our inability to look beyond what we actually have thats hinders us. How else can we explain so many players going onto better things after they leave us? (and Yes, League 2 football is now better than us) It's an opinion. I have seen plenty of players play for and against us, some you see and think they can go places. Some make it, some don't. I remember watching Joe Hart play against us and you could tell he would go to the top.
I doubt anyone who saw Devon, would think he would play in the top division and even score.
Santos is a young lad, who needs work and Hull would be a massive opportunity for him. Best of luck to the lad if he goes. Anyone who watched Rovers last season, would probably say Lockyer was a better player and I know who I would put my money on making it and playing at a higher level
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 5, 2014 7:05:56 GMT
It's amazing what a good bit of coaching can do. I would imagine Hull will have the time to would work on his upper body strength and his crossing. He is only 19 after all. Plenty saying they don't see a PL player in him. Give me a break. He obviously has something or Hull would not be sniffing around. Maybe it's our inability to look beyond what we actually have thats hinders us. How else can we explain so many players going onto better things after they leave us? (and Yes, League 2 football is now better than us) Agree with this Who would have thought Lambo would be a Top premier Player ending up at the world cup with England and be the Golden boot winner at the end of the Tournament, When he arrived at our club many moons ago ?? Yeah, but that doesn't make any point regarding Santos. No Prem teams came in for Lambo, did they? What did they know that we didn't know? Nothing, as it happens.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 5, 2014 7:18:28 GMT
It's amazing what a good bit of coaching can do. I would imagine Hull will have the time to would work on his upper body strength and his crossing. He is only 19 after all. Plenty saying they don't see a PL player in him. Give me a break. He obviously has something or Hull would not be sniffing around. Maybe it's our inability to look beyond what we actually have thats hinders us. How else can we explain so many players going onto better things after they leave us? (and Yes, League 2 football is now better than us) It's an opinion. I have seen plenty of players play for and against us, some you see and think they can go places. Some make it, some don't. I remember watching Joe Hart play against us and you could tell he would go to the top.
I doubt anyone who saw Devon, would think he would play in the top division and even score.
Santos is a young lad, who needs work and Hull would be a massive opportunity for him. Best of luck to the lad if he goes. Anyone who watched Rovers last season, would probably say Lockyer was a better player and I know who I would put my money on making it and playing at a higher level
Like I said, coaching is everything. On a different note, I actually believe the board have done the right thing in rejecting this offer. If Hull truly want the lad then they will come back with a better offer. Can only be a good thing for us.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 5, 2014 7:20:22 GMT
It's an opinion. I have seen plenty of players play for and against us, some you see and think they can go places. Some make it, some don't. I remember watching Joe Hart play against us and you could tell he would go to the top.
I doubt anyone who saw Devon, would think he would play in the top division and even score.
Santos is a young lad, who needs work and Hull would be a massive opportunity for him. Best of luck to the lad if he goes. Anyone who watched Rovers last season, would probably say Lockyer was a better player and I know who I would put my money on making it and playing at a higher level
Like I said, coaching is everything. On a different note, I actually believe the board have done the right thing in rejecting this offer. If Hull truly want the lad then they will come back with a better offer. Can only be a good thing for us. I wonder if they were aware of interest when Santos was offered his contract?
If he wants to go, he will go. If it ends up at Tribunal, then would be interesting as to valuation of him
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Post by Northville Blue on Jun 5, 2014 7:24:17 GMT
Long before the internet we had a similar transfer when Nicky Tanner went to Liverpool. Most people thought that it was some sort of mistake but he proved most people wrong didn't he?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 5, 2014 7:31:53 GMT
It's amazing what a good bit of coaching can do. I would imagine Hull will have the time to work on his upper body strength and his crossing. He is only 19 after all. Plenty saying they don't see a PL player in him. Give me a break. He obviously has something or Hull would not be sniffing around. Maybe it's our inability to look beyond what we actually have thats hinders us. How else can we explain so many players going onto better things after they leave us? (and Yes, League 2 football is now better than us) This was previously discussed on the OS forum and it was hard to recall one young player who has left us in the last 5 years who has gone on to better things, probably Andy WIlliams, who was hardly a youngster when he left us, has been the only one, whilst Sean Rigg's remained a professional he has hardly set the world alight, the likes of Powell have just disappeared into non league football. Given more time & space in the Premiership Santos may well have what it takes but at our level he's always going to struggle until he bulks up and then he'll probably lose his speed, why we didn't try and do a deal with Hull is beyond me.
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Post by gooliegas on Jun 5, 2014 7:35:21 GMT
Ray Graddon was inconsistent but Villa paid money and included their captain in the deal
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 7:35:43 GMT
Agree with this Who would have thought Lambo would be a Top premier Player ending up at the world cup with England and be the Golden boot winner at the end of the Tournament, When he arrived at our club many moons ago ?? Yeah, but that doesn't make any point regarding Santos. No Prem teams came in for Lambo, did they? What did they know that we didn't know? Nothing, as it happens. Read my post again.... all i was asking, at the time lambo came here,who would have thought he would go onto better things. Nothing about Premier league teams
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Post by gasattack on Jun 5, 2014 7:36:44 GMT
Well regradless who may or may not be interested in Santos and how much this offer from Hull actually is, I'd have let him go.
I just don't rate the kid. He's not slow but he's certainly not fast either and he seldom goes past his full back. When he does get in position to cross he rarely picks out a Rovers players and more often than not struggles to keep the ball on the pitch.
He is obviously very small and not very strong and often gets bullied off the ball. This is likely to be an even bigger problem in the Conference.
I don't think non league football will suit him and it would be better for both parties if he left.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 5, 2014 7:38:57 GMT
It's amazing what a good bit of coaching can do. I would imagine Hull will have the time to work on his upper body strength and his crossing. He is only 19 after all. Plenty saying they don't see a PL player in him. Give me a break. He obviously has something or Hull would not be sniffing around. Maybe it's our inability to look beyond what we actually have thats hinders us. How else can we explain so many players going onto better things after they leave us? (and Yes, League 2 football is now better than us) This was previously discussed on the OS forum and it was hard to recall one young player who has left us in the last 5 years who has gone on to better things, probably Andy WIlliams, who was hardly a youngster when he left us, has been the only one, whilst Sean Rigg's remained a professional he has hardly set the world alight, the likes of Powell have just disappeared into non league football. Given more time & space in the Premiership Santos may well have what it takes but at our level he's always going to struggle until he bulks up and then he'll probably lose his speed, why we didn't try and do a deal with Hull is beyond me. I was not talking just about young players that have left us.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 5, 2014 7:56:45 GMT
Yeah, but that doesn't make any point regarding Santos. No Prem teams came in for Lambo, did they? What did they know that we didn't know? Nothing, as it happens. Read my post again.... all i was asking, at the time lambo came here,who would have thought he would go onto better things. Nothing about Premier league teams Sure, I realised that at the time, I was just joining it to the wider point that a few people have mentioned which seemed to consist vaguely of 'they're prem teams so how dare us mere fans criticise what they do.' Sorry if I gave the impression I was taking you to task for it. Thinking about that a bit more, every Gashead who even drove part Twerton knew that Stewie was something special and could make it in the top division (and that's not with the benefit of hindsight, literally everyone knew it, istm) and who ended up signing him? the last team he played against. So much for the prem.
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Post by Eclectic Blue on Jun 5, 2014 7:57:18 GMT
He has got potential as a player but he really struggled to make an impact for the most part of last season. I do feel like there is something there but I really fear for him coming up against conference full backs. IMO I would rather have an accomplished/experienced over someone like Santos next season. Yet again this turns into another board bashing topic; it's all Higgs' fault if a 19 year old would rather play for a premier league club than us in the conference? If the money is right then we should look to take it and move elsewhere. If the lad wants to go then who are we to stand in his way? I would rather start next year with a fresh slate. We should have learned last year that we can afford no passengers in a team and that's what I see Santos as, a young winger with potential but turns it on 1 in maybe 5 games. In 2006, I attended a Supporters Club evening at Yate Town Football Club which was attended by Lennie Lawrence amongst others. People asked about the sale of Scott Sinclair and how disappointed they were by it. I paraphrase here, but Lawrence said that players as good as Sinclair would always end up being sold and it was up to the club to get as much money as possible for them. It was the same at almost every club in the land. His view was that we should be looking to bring through and developing players appropriate for the level at which we were playing. If Santos is Premier League standard (or even League Two standard for that matter), can we really be surprised that other clubs are coming in for him or should we disappointed if he wanted to leave to further his career? Very few players of any age will want the Conference on their CV so don't believe that stuff about players staying "to right last season's wrongs."
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 5, 2014 8:19:19 GMT
My initial thoughts were that this is a wind up. Well, if they can teach him to cross, pass and trap a football then they have one hell of player on their hands. No idea what they see in him but they must see some Premier League potential. Can't say I can see League 2 potential.
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Post by michaelb on Jun 5, 2014 8:23:16 GMT
Long before the internet we had a similar transfer when Nicky Tanner went to Liverpool. Most people thought that it was some sort of mistake but he proved most people wrong didn't he? I think the jury is still out on that one but I take your point ! Personally I think Santos should snatch their hands off its a great opportunity for him and he is going no where here, that s for sure.Watched him play pre season at Clevedon he had the quickest feet I had ever seen I thought he was going to be the next big thing. The reality is for me,he was at the wrong club at the wrong time. Away from here I think he will have a career , a star I think not .
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 5, 2014 8:26:16 GMT
He has got potential as a player but he really struggled to make an impact for the most part of last season. I do feel like there is something there but I really fear for him coming up against conference full backs. IMO I would rather have an accomplished/experienced over someone like Santos next season. Yet again this turns into another board bashing topic; it's all Higgs' fault if a 19 year old would rather play for a premier league club than us in the conference? If the money is right then we should look to take it and move elsewhere. If the lad wants to go then who are we to stand in his way? I would rather start next year with a fresh slate. We should have learned last year that we can afford no passengers in a team and that's what I see Santos as, a young winger with potential but turns it on 1 in maybe 5 games. In 2006, I attended a Supporters Club evening at Yate Town Football Club which was attended by Lennie Lawrence amongst others. People asked about the sale of Scott Sinclair and how disappointed they were by it. I paraphrase here, but Lawrence said that players as good as Sinclair would always end up being sold and it was up to the club to get as much money as possible for them. It was the same at almost every club in the land. His view was that we should be looking to bring through and developing players appropriate for the level at which we were playing. If Santos is Premier League standard (or even League Two standard for that matter), can we really be surprised that other clubs are coming in for him or should we disappointed if he wanted to leave to further his career? Very few players of any age will want the Conference on their CV so don't believe that stuff about players staying "to right last season's wrongs." Agree, and I don't think anyone is blaming Santos in the instance Rick. It's one hell of an opportunity and he would be mad to turn it down. At worst he will be released by Hull in a couple of years and probably be taken on by some FL club, rather than being released by Rovers and ending up in the local non-league scene.
Hull will make him a better player, using better facilities and coaching I am sure, but I don't think he will make it at that level. I hope I'm wrong and the kid does. I don't have anything against him, just don't see it.
I maintain Lockyer will have a far better career than Santos, because one actually looks like a footballer
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