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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 13, 2023 12:10:05 GMT
Dead wood??? Really?  Who? ?? The players that recently left. As I posted and JB told us,"very little chance of being selected" (my quote). So that will be Kilgour and Saunders then, neither of whom I would describe as dead wood. Saunders never had a run of games with us, but definitely has something about him. Kilgour arguably would be a shoe in for selection with the defensive absences we have just now and our reliance on inexperienced players. However when B***** made these comments if I recall correctly this was after both had gone/were known to be going and he was therefore implying there was more dead wood within the squad to be removed. So my question to you is do you think he is right about this, and if so, which of our current squad is that dead wood? Also do you think that this will be motivating or unsettling for those that might consider they are going to be labelled with that epithet? My personal view is that we already had a strong (albeit inconsistent) squad and that we have not improved it in the transfer window. If anything we have managed to disrupt the rhythm we had leading in to it and the performances have been poor, especially over the past 4 games. Play offs are a pipe dream now this season and anyone that thinks otherwise needs to give their heads a serious wobble. A mid table finish would still be a good season, though I'd like us to end it in form and with momentum as that usually carries forward into the next season (unless of course B***** decides we need another transition period) |
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Post by The Concept on Feb 13, 2023 12:40:49 GMT
It's not fair. Everything goes against us. Things happen to us that don't happen to others.
- Rovers lose 1-0 and go down 1 place.
- Exeter lose 1-0 and go up 1 place.
It's just not fair. The whole world is against us!
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Post by baselswh on Feb 13, 2023 13:14:27 GMT
The players that recently left. As I posted and JB told us,"very little chance of being selected" (my quote). So that will be Kilgour and Saunders then, neither of whom I would describe as dead wood. Saunders never had a run of games with us, but definitely has something about him. Kilgour arguably would be a shoe in for selection with the defensive absences we have just now and our reliance on inexperienced players. However when B***** made these comments if I recall correctly this was after both had gone/were known to be going and he was therefore implying there was more dead wood within the squad to be removed. So my question to you is do you think he is right about this, and if so, which of our current squad is that dead wood? Also do you think that this will be motivating or unsettling for those that might consider they are going to be labelled with that epithet? My personal view is that we already had a strong (albeit inconsistent) squad and that we have not improved it in the transfer window. If anything we have managed to disrupt the rhythm we had leading in to it and the performances have been poor, especially over the past 4 games. Play offs are a pipe dream now this season and anyone that thinks otherwise needs to give their heads a serious wobble. A mid table finish would still be a good season, though I'd like us to end it in form and with momentum as that usually carries forward into the next season (unless of course B***** decides we need another transition period) The term "deadwood" sounds harsh of course, but that's Joe's style. Both Harvey and Alfie deserved their chance to play regularly.JB wanted to keep HS but recognised he wanted games.Alfie was maybe 4th choice CH and so he needed away. 11 in a team,a manager cannot select more.He/she is entitled to their opinion and really,why should they make excuses for that? I wanted Harvey to stay,but I understand why he wanted away. Alfie's departure happened just before Thomas decided to leave.I think (not sure) ,Joe said he would of kept AK if he'd known Thomas was to all of a sudden leave. Good to hear Alfie has hit the ground running at Stags.Cloughie will get the best out of him. To answer part of one of your questions,as we are in a transitional phase,I don't think we have any "deadwood " right now.All have a reasonable to good chance of getting a game.Come the end of the season this may of changed.The threat of being dropped and leaving the fc is a good thing.It's the same for every player,so perfectly fair.So best give it your all.A motivation.There's more to it I'm sure.Eg,a player can talk through problems and challenges with coaches and manager.Good coaching will almost certainly mean messages repeated and repeated again until the penny drops.In the scenario the play still can't or won't do as told,then eventually they leave the fc. Yep,a play off place at this time looks way off,midtable would be a good season and yes,let's hope we've created a platform to have another go next time Mrsvsmegma, do you listen/read JBs match previews and reviews?The other day on Having A Gas GT and JB had a long chat.Joe tells us how he sees things and what he wants really quite thoroughly. I would recommend listening in to all Gasheads. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 13, 2023 15:37:08 GMT
So that will be Kilgour and Saunders then, neither of whom I would describe as dead wood. Saunders never had a run of games with us, but definitely has something about him. Kilgour arguably would be a shoe in for selection with the defensive absences we have just now and our reliance on inexperienced players. However when B***** made these comments if I recall correctly this was after both had gone/were known to be going and he was therefore implying there was more dead wood within the squad to be removed. So my question to you is do you think he is right about this, and if so, which of our current squad is that dead wood? Also do you think that this will be motivating or unsettling for those that might consider they are going to be labelled with that epithet? My personal view is that we already had a strong (albeit inconsistent) squad and that we have not improved it in the transfer window. If anything we have managed to disrupt the rhythm we had leading in to it and the performances have been poor, especially over the past 4 games. Play offs are a pipe dream now this season and anyone that thinks otherwise needs to give their heads a serious wobble. A mid table finish would still be a good season, though I'd like us to end it in form and with momentum as that usually carries forward into the next season (unless of course B***** decides we need another transition period) The term "deadwood" sounds harsh of course, but that's Joe's style. Both Harvey and Alfie deserved their chance to play regularly.JB wanted to keep HS but recognised he wanted games.Alfie was maybe 4th choice CH and so he needed away. 11 in a team,a manager cannot select more.He/she is entitled to their opinion and really,why should they make excuses for that? I wanted Harvey to stay,but I understand why he wanted away. Alfie's departure happened just before Thomas decided to leave.I think (not sure) ,Joe said he would of kept AK if he'd known Thomas was to all of a sudden leave. Good to hear Alfie has hit the ground running at Stags.Cloughie will get the best out of him. To answer part of one of your questions,as we are in a transitional phase,I don't think we have any "deadwood " right now.All have a reasonable to good chance of getting a game.Come the end of the season this may of changed.The threat of being dropped and leaving the fc is a good thing.It's the same for every player,so perfectly fair.So best give it your all.A motivation.There's more to it I'm sure.Eg,a player can talk through problems and challenges with coaches and manager.Good coaching will almost certainly mean messages repeated and repeated again until the penny drops.In the scenario the play still can't or won't do as told,then eventually they leave the fc. Yep,a play off place at this time looks way off,midtable would be a good season and yes,let's hope we've created a platform to have another go next time Mrsvsmegma, do you listen/read JBs match previews and reviews?The other day on Having A Gas GT and JB had a long chat.Joe tells us how he sees things and what he wants really quite thoroughly. I would recommend listening in to all Gasheads. I guess I am not particularly keen on his style. I see it as a short term (at best) way to get results, but not effective in the long term. I'd also suggest that he has not had much success in his managerial career with this approach. As far as I know he didn't achieve anything with Fleetwood and they do not seem to have nosedived after he was sacked by them. In his time here he has a very dismal relegation and a very exciting last day promotion on his record, and arguably we are in no better a league position than before he was installed as our manager. He does have a good eye for a player and i think to label any of them as deadwood is insulting in the extreme. Yes some of them are not world beaters and they do make mistakes but I've not seen any evidence that any of them don't give their all. He has assembled a very hard working likeable squad. I worry though that he is volatile and seems to want to shake thinks up and be controversial all of the time. Like Jules I don't think he is too far away at the moment from blowing a gasket and bringing a fresh lot of controversy down on himself and us. Time will tell in that respect. I read some of his interviews, but don't listen to any of the recorded stuff. I find that i agree with some of it, and disagree with an equal amount of it. He is a complex character and is intelligent on one level, but i do think he is quite narcissistic and overthinks things instead of simplifying them. If he stopped that he would be a better manager for it in my opinion. Football after all is a simple game and most players want simplicity, a system and approach they can buy into and which makes the best of the collective ability they have. Well organised teams who know each other's games well tend to perform well and are usually more than the sum of their parts, even if some of the parts are quite limited. Look back to 1990/91 for a great example of that..... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 16:25:37 GMT
Some interesting points Smegma
JB sometimes needs to learn when to keep quiet but when more reflective can be more revealing - eg recent interview with 20man he suggested him and the staff should be included in the 'dont deserve to be paid' bracket after the Morecombe game. Also cant sleep at night when we lose as keeps thinking about how to improve our defensive structure. Shame more people didn't pick up on that (ie taking responsibility which some people on here often claim he doesn't do) but that doesn't fit their angle.
Re Team. Kilgour def not suited to passing game - fine when route one but exposed when asked to play out. Was never going to feature. Clarke - never able to last 90 mins. Westbrooke - no need to say anything. Jakola - body letting him down so we needed competition. Saunders? Was never going to be a starter - who would he start in front of?? was always going to be on the bench (but a good option to come on late in games, definitely)
Marquis - a bit like Saunders in where do you fit him in? Doesn't start for me in front of Coborn or Collins and if you play with three up top you miss width. But agreed there is an argument to play him up top with Coburn and allow Collins freedom to roam. But that does mean you have to play 3 in midfield.
In my view biggest miss is Rossiter/Gibson. Huge losses at this level and IMHO that is the main reason for poor recent form, which then impacts confidence.
Disappointed we didn't get experienced replacement for Thomas, or an experienced defensive mid in the window
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Post by baselswh on Feb 13, 2023 16:44:03 GMT
Going by some complaints and questions on Rovers forums,I think Joe quite likely has explained some of these concerns and questions,but those posing these questions/concerns ,perhaps don't listen to him.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 13, 2023 16:46:57 GMT
The term "deadwood" sounds harsh of course, but that's Joe's style. Both Harvey and Alfie deserved their chance to play regularly.JB wanted to keep HS but recognised he wanted games.Alfie was maybe 4th choice CH and so he needed away. 11 in a team,a manager cannot select more.He/she is entitled to their opinion and really,why should they make excuses for that? I wanted Harvey to stay,but I understand why he wanted away. Alfie's departure happened just before Thomas decided to leave.I think (not sure) ,Joe said he would of kept AK if he'd known Thomas was to all of a sudden leave. Good to hear Alfie has hit the ground running at Stags.Cloughie will get the best out of him. To answer part of one of your questions,as we are in a transitional phase,I don't think we have any "deadwood " right now.All have a reasonable to good chance of getting a game.Come the end of the season this may of changed.The threat of being dropped and leaving the fc is a good thing.It's the same for every player,so perfectly fair.So best give it your all.A motivation.There's more to it I'm sure.Eg,a player can talk through problems and challenges with coaches and manager.Good coaching will almost certainly mean messages repeated and repeated again until the penny drops.In the scenario the play still can't or won't do as told,then eventually they leave the fc. Yep,a play off place at this time looks way off,midtable would be a good season and yes,let's hope we've created a platform to have another go next time Mrsvsmegma, do you listen/read JBs match previews and reviews?The other day on Having A Gas GT and JB had a long chat.Joe tells us how he sees things and what he wants really quite thoroughly. I would recommend listening in to all Gasheads. I guess I am not particularly keen on his style. I see it as a short term (at best) way to get results, but not effective in the long term. I'd also suggest that he has not had much success in his managerial career with this approach. As far as I know he didn't achieve anything with Fleetwood and they do not seem to have nosedived after he was sacked by them. In his time here he has a very dismal relegation and a very exciting last day promotion on his record, and arguably we are in no better a league position than before he was installed as our manager. He does have a good eye for a player and i think to label any of them as deadwood is insulting in the extreme. Yes some of them are not world beaters and they do make mistakes but I've not seen any evidence that any of them don't give their all. He has assembled a very hard working likeable squad. I worry though that he is volatile and seems to want to shake thinks up and be controversial all of the time. Like Jules I don't think he is too far away at the moment from blowing a gasket and bringing a fresh lot of controversy down on himself and us. Time will tell in that respect. I read some of his interviews, but don't listen to any of the recorded stuff. I find that i agree with some of it, and disagree with an equal amount of it. He is a complex character and is intelligent on one level, but i do think he is quite narcissistic and overthinks things instead of simplifying them. If he stopped that he would be a better manager for it in my opinion. Football after all is a simple game and most players want simplicity, a system and approach they can buy into and which makes the best of the collective ability they have. Well organised teams who know each other's games well tend to perform well and are usually more than the sum of their parts, even if some of the parts are quite limited. Look back to 1990/91 for a great example of that..... I don't think we've had a manager like JB before.I think him totally refreshing.Rovers needed a shake up and WAQ deserves credit for giving Joe a go.Giving him much power was also vital. Time will tell. |
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Post by toteend3 on Feb 14, 2023 0:15:15 GMT
I guess I am not particularly keen on his style. I see it as a short term (at best) way to get results, but not effective in the long term. I'd also suggest that he has not had much success in his managerial career with this approach. As far as I know he didn't achieve anything with Fleetwood and they do not seem to have nosedived after he was sacked by them. In his time here he has a very dismal relegation and a very exciting last day promotion on his record, and arguably we are in no better a league position than before he was installed as our manager. He does have a good eye for a player and i think to label any of them as deadwood is insulting in the extreme. Yes some of them are not world beaters and they do make mistakes but I've not seen any evidence that any of them don't give their all. He has assembled a very hard working likeable squad. I worry though that he is volatile and seems to want to shake thinks up and be controversial all of the time. Like Jules I don't think he is too far away at the moment from blowing a gasket and bringing a fresh lot of controversy down on himself and us. Time will tell in that respect. I read some of his interviews, but don't listen to any of the recorded stuff. I find that i agree with some of it, and disagree with an equal amount of it. He is a complex character and is intelligent on one level, but i do think he is quite narcissistic and overthinks things instead of simplifying them. If he stopped that he would be a better manager for it in my opinion. Football after all is a simple game and most players want simplicity, a system and approach they can buy into and which makes the best of the collective ability they have. Well organised teams who know each other's games well tend to perform well and are usually more than the sum of their parts, even if some of the parts are quite limited. Look back to 1990/91 for a great example of that..... I don't think we've had a manager like JB before.I think him totally refreshing.Rovers needed a shake up and WAQ deserves credit for giving Joe a go.Giving him much power was also vital. Time will tell. Still half pint full Bas and Iam right behind you! |
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Post by baselswh on Feb 14, 2023 7:10:49 GMT
I don't think we've had a manager like JB before.I think him totally refreshing.Rovers needed a shake up and WAQ deserves credit for giving Joe a go.Giving him much power was also vital. Time will tell. Still half pint full Bas and Iam right behind you! 👍 |
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