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Post by swissgas on Mar 29, 2022 17:36:03 GMT
I've just had a newsletter from the Supporters Club which says they are currently in negotiations with the football club about a major investment so perhaps significant improvements to the ground are on the way ?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 29, 2022 17:53:54 GMT
I've just had a newsletter from the Supporters Club which says they are currently in negotiations with the football club about a major investment so perhaps significant improvements to the ground are on the way ? or, just perhaps, a major investment in fruit-related things? |
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Post by swissgas on Mar 29, 2022 18:02:56 GMT
I've just had a newsletter from the Supporters Club which says they are currently in negotiations with the football club about a major investment so perhaps significant improvements to the ground are on the way ? or, just perhaps, a major investment in fruit-related things? You mean we are buying a one-armed bandit ? |
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 31, 2022 9:51:38 GMT
What is a “family club?” Serious question. I still consider us to be a family club but what defines one? It seems on here it is used with rose-tinted glasses about the past when we had no money so we can categorise ourselves as a family club. People use it nowadays on here to question our current owners or when things go wrong or when change is happening. I suspect it means different things to different people. Do you have to be relatively “poor” or at least cash-strapped to be a family club? Can you not be a family club if you’re owned by foreign owners? Can you not be a family club if you are owned by a wealthy person /family? Does becoming a more efficient organisation with increasing commercial activity stop you being a family club? Is a family club one whose individual considerations trump commercial decisions? Bath Gas says you only find family clubs in non league nowadays. It can’t be those because go to Everton, AFCB, Brighton, Wycombe, FGR, and many others and they still consider themselves to be “family” clubs, yet they have managed to change, improve yet still keep being a family club. Loads of other questions I could pose but I suspect they wouldn’t help and would pose even more questions. It really comes over on here that being a family club is more about stopping change that some people don’t want. I’m sure it shouldn’t be that but that is what it comes over as. Yet we all know that to progress and have even a sniff at Championship football over the next 10 years we will need to change certain things about our club. It looks like change is happening in small incremental ways but when that happens accusations about not being a family club are thrown around. Change is often difficult and few people like change but after little change to the infrastructure this century any change our owners try to make attracts accusations about us losing the “family club” feel. Genuinely interested in what makes a family club. UTG! Some good points Wareham... no one has volunteered an answer, so I'll have a stab. I think the first 5 questions are easy to answer. Do you have to be relatively “poor” or at least cash-strapped to be a family club? No.
Can you not be a family club if you’re owned by foreign owners? No.
Can you not be a family club if you are owned by a wealthy person /family? No.
Does becoming a more efficient organisation with increasing commercial activity stop you being a family club? No.
Is a family club one whose individual considerations trump commercial decisions? Depends on the considerations.
I'd like to think that we would put morals or principles (whatever they are) above success at all costs or financial gain. That would be part of my definition of a family club. So since the Dwane Sports acquisition - are Rovers less of a family club? Up until about a year ago, on balance, 'no' I wouldn't have thought so. Change is good. Sometimes it is difficult to implement. I didn't like the way some of the old guard were treated. Someone mentioned the ScreenSoccer equipment being chucked in a skip. Small thing. But classless. The Gas Trust do brilliant stuff in the community and that is a massive plus in being a family club. But it's the elephant in the room. You can't escape it. It seems incompatible hire a convicted violent gobsh*te as manager and retain the title of family club. |
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Post by petecolley on Mar 31, 2022 10:13:00 GMT
In my opinion a family club is a poor excuse for a club ran by local businessmen with little ambition.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Mar 31, 2022 10:23:52 GMT
In my opinion a family club is a poor excuse for a club ran by local businessmen with little ambition. I agree Pete. I would describe Rovers as a community club. |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 31, 2022 11:02:06 GMT
What is a “family club?” Serious question. I still consider us to be a family club but what defines one? It seems on here it is used with rose-tinted glasses about the past when we had no money so we can categorise ourselves as a family club. People use it nowadays on here to question our current owners or when things go wrong or when change is happening. I suspect it means different things to different people. Do you have to be relatively “poor” or at least cash-strapped to be a family club? Can you not be a family club if you’re owned by foreign owners? Can you not be a family club if you are owned by a wealthy person /family? Does becoming a more efficient organisation with increasing commercial activity stop you being a family club? Is a family club one whose individual considerations trump commercial decisions? Bath Gas says you only find family clubs in non league nowadays. It can’t be those because go to Everton, AFCB, Brighton, Wycombe, FGR, and many others and they still consider themselves to be “family” clubs, yet they have managed to change, improve yet still keep being a family club. Loads of other questions I could pose but I suspect they wouldn’t help and would pose even more questions. It really comes over on here that being a family club is more about stopping change that some people don’t want. I’m sure it shouldn’t be that but that is what it comes over as. Yet we all know that to progress and have even a sniff at Championship football over the next 10 years we will need to change certain things about our club. It looks like change is happening in small incremental ways but when that happens accusations about not being a family club are thrown around. Change is often difficult and few people like change but after little change to the infrastructure this century any change our owners try to make attracts accusations about us losing the “family club” feel. Genuinely interested in what makes a family club. UTG! Some good points Wareham... no one has volunteered an answer, so I'll have a stab. I think the first 5 questions are easy to answer. Do you have to be relatively “poor” or at least cash-strapped to be a family club? No.
Can you not be a family club if you’re owned by foreign owners? No.
Can you not be a family club if you are owned by a wealthy person /family? No.
Does becoming a more efficient organisation with increasing commercial activity stop you being a family club? No.
Is a family club one whose individual considerations trump commercial decisions? Depends on the considerations.
I'd like to think that we would put morals or principles (whatever they are) above success at all costs or financial gain. That would be part of my definition of a family club. So since the Dwane Sports acquisition - are Rovers less of a family club? Up until about a year ago, on balance, 'no' I wouldn't have thought so. Change is good. Sometimes it is difficult to implement. I didn't like the way some of the old guard were treated. Someone mentioned the ScreenSoccer equipment being chucked in a skip. Small thing. But classless. The Gas Trust do brilliant stuff in the community and that is a massive plus in being a family club. But it's the elephant in the room. You can't escape it. It seems incompatible hire a convicted violent gobsh*te as manager and retain the title of family club. Thanks epping. That more or less resonates with what I’d have said had I not asked the questions. So is it more about how you do things rather than the “what” you do? I also like what the other two posters said about it being a community club. Sounds about right. Do you see the “elephant in the room” being the defining factor in how you view BRFC? I don’t think we, you and I, see that in too different a way but I see BRFC and the good they do and the football as the more important factor over individuals. Football is a completely different business than most. Whenever I was recruiting and appointing in my schools we were always exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act so candidates had to tell me their criminal history / or not and we would decide if it was a factor. Which meant that I would probably not appoint a candidate on occasions. A football club is different and I don’t think the club is defined by an individual. But as you said in your reply, it depends on the considerations. We may not like some decisions but we know that managers come and go, the club doesn’t. Thanks for your reply , it was appreciated.👍 UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 1, 2022 8:10:48 GMT
It seems incompatible hire a convicted violent gobsh*te as manager and retain the title of family club. Thanks epping. That more or less resonates with what I’d have said had I not asked the questions. So is it more about how you do things rather than the “what” you do? I also like what the other two posters said about it being a community club. Sounds about right. Do you see the “elephant in the room” being the defining factor in how you view BRFC? I don’t think we, you and I, see that in too different a way but I see BRFC and the good they do and the football as the more important factor over individuals. Football is a completely different business than most. Whenever I was recruiting and appointing in my schools we were always exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act so candidates had to tell me their criminal history / or not and we would decide if it was a factor. Which meant that I would probably not appoint a candidate on occasions. A football club is different and I don’t think the club is defined by an individual. But as you said in your reply, it depends on the considerations. We may not like some decisions but we know that managers come and go, the club doesn’t. Thanks for your reply , it was appreciated.👍 UTG! Thanks Wareham - I think we're pretty much agreed... but would disagree slightly on "I don’t think the club is defined by an individual". I guess it depends on how big a role you perceive that individual as having in defining the Club. When I bump into people in the local - the first question is always "has he been banged up yet" (or words to that effect). What's it like down in Dorset? Do they ask about how Bristol Rovers are doing, or about B*****? Maybe it's the fault of the media. "Joey B*****'s Bristol Rovers". It still makes my skin crawl. |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 1, 2022 8:47:00 GMT
Thanks epping. That more or less resonates with what I’d have said had I not asked the questions. So is it more about how you do things rather than the “what” you do? I also like what the other two posters said about it being a community club. Sounds about right. Do you see the “elephant in the room” being the defining factor in how you view BRFC? I don’t think we, you and I, see that in too different a way but I see BRFC and the good they do and the football as the more important factor over individuals. Football is a completely different business than most. Whenever I was recruiting and appointing in my schools we were always exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act so candidates had to tell me their criminal history / or not and we would decide if it was a factor. Which meant that I would probably not appoint a candidate on occasions. A football club is different and I don’t think the club is defined by an individual. But as you said in your reply, it depends on the considerations. We may not like some decisions but we know that managers come and go, the club doesn’t. Thanks for your reply , it was appreciated.👍 UTG! Thanks Wareham - I think we're pretty much agreed... but would disagree slightly on "I don’t think the club is defined by an individual". I guess it depends on how big a role you perceive that individual as having in defining the Club. When I bump into people in the local - the first question is always "has he been banged up yet" (or words to that effect). What's it like down in Dorset? Do they ask about how Bristol Rovers are doing, or about B*****? Maybe it's the fault of the media. "Joey B*****'s Bristol Rovers". It still makes my skin crawl. In a way it’s even worse. We’re not even on their radar! I was out the other day having a meal with some people who are all Southampton fans who I don’t see all that often and they didn’t even know he was our manager. PL only for some people! In AFCB where I sit with the same people they all say he’s a character but some didn’t even know about his latest appearance. It doesn’t get the reaction that you’ve had. Which may be part of the reason why I’m not so ..... as you are. Either way, never be “Joey B*****’s Bristol Rovers.” UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 1, 2022 9:22:07 GMT
Thanks Wareham - I think we're pretty much agreed... but would disagree slightly on "I don’t think the club is defined by an individual". I guess it depends on how big a role you perceive that individual as having in defining the Club. When I bump into people in the local - the first question is always "has he been banged up yet" (or words to that effect). What's it like down in Dorset? Do they ask about how Bristol Rovers are doing, or about B*****? Maybe it's the fault of the media. "Joey B*****'s Bristol Rovers". It still makes my skin crawl. In a way it’s even worse. We’re not even on their radar! I was out the other day having a meal with some people who are all Southampton fans who I don’t see all that often and they didn’t even know he was our manager. PL only for some people! In AFCB where I sit with the same people they all say he’s a character but some didn’t even know about his latest appearance. It doesn’t get the reaction that you’ve had. Which may be part of the reason why I’m not so ..... as you are. Either way, never be “Joey B*****’s Bristol Rovers.” UTG! Interesting... I think I've probably made a bit of a rod for my own back. For years (well about 30) I only EVER wore a Rovers shirt - exemptions being for work, church or a meal out with the missus! Quite a few people didn't know my name - they called me "Bristol". So knowing my fairly fanatical support for a small under-achieving club 140 miles away - the appointment of B***** raised a lot of laughs. There was never a positive comment. I know other people (holmes?) had a very different response living in the north west - that Joey was 'an interesting appointment', that he had 'potential'. That sort of thing. That was 100% not my experience. I haven't worn the quarters for over a year - sad, petty, call it what you will. I don't want to be associated with anything to do with B*****, and for me that includes even wearing the shirt. Anyway I usually wear my German shirts these days. So people started calling me "Berlin". Eisern Union! And one day I'll be back signing off with UTG. |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 1, 2022 9:24:22 GMT
Keep the faith epping!! Although faith is probably the wrong word!
UTG!
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Post by Bath Gas on Apr 1, 2022 9:59:48 GMT
In Wiltshire, it's usually "I see Rovers are doing well" or "Rovers are struggling at the moment", the locals have no interest/knowledge of who our manager is at any given time.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 1, 2022 10:31:25 GMT
Must be a London thang...
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Post by Bath Gas on Apr 1, 2022 12:00:48 GMT
Must be a London thang... I guess it depends which area of London. Certainly supporters of opposing clubs would be aware of who is managing teams in the same division, supporters of Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal - I suspect not so much, unless they have regular contact with somebody who supports Rovers, and it's come up in conversation. |
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Post by bloogas on Apr 1, 2022 13:59:26 GMT
Interesting... I think I've probably made a bit of a rod for my own back. For years (well about 30) I only EVER wore a Rovers shirt - exemptions being for work, church or a meal out with the missus! Quite a few people didn't know my name - they called me "Bristol". So knowing my fairly fanatical support for a small under-achieving club 140 miles away - the appointment of B***** raised a lot of laughs. There was never a positive comment. I know other people (holmes?) had a very different response living in the north west - that Joey was 'an interesting appointment', that he had 'potential'. That sort of thing. That was 100% not my experience. I haven't worn the quarters for over a year - sad, petty, call it what you will. I don't want to be associated with anything to do with B*****, and for me that includes even wearing the shirt. Anyway I usually wear my German shirts these days. So people started calling me "Berlin". Eisern Union! And one day I'll be back signing off with UTG. [/quote] Yes, really curious that Southerners in the South-East corner of the country don't like Northerners. And that Northerners see JB as one of their own. People are strange. I went to a Chelsea v Liverpool match once with a Chelsea fan who originated from Surrey. He remarked that he hated the Liverpool fans - said with a real venom. Nice bloke otherwise. |
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Post by icegas on Apr 1, 2022 14:11:54 GMT
I've just gone to the mem to get tickets for tomorrow and the Family Tent is still there, standing proudly!
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Post by One F in Dunford on Apr 1, 2022 15:51:30 GMT
In a way it’s even worse. We’re not even on their radar! I was out the other day having a meal with some people who are all Southampton fans who I don’t see all that often and they didn’t even know he was our manager. PL only for some people! In AFCB where I sit with the same people they all say he’s a character but some didn’t even know about his latest appearance. It doesn’t get the reaction that you’ve had. Which may be part of the reason why I’m not so ..... as you are. Either way, never be “Joey B*****’s Bristol Rovers.” UTG! Interesting... I think I've probably made a bit of a rod for my own back. For years (well about 30) I only EVER wore a Rovers shirt - exemptions being for work, church or a meal out with the missus! Quite a few people didn't know my name - they called me "Bristol". So knowing my fairly fanatical support for a small under-achieving club 140 miles away - the appointment of B***** raised a lot of laughs. There was never a positive comment. I know other people (holmes?) had a very different response living in the north west - that Joey was 'an interesting appointment', that he had 'potential'. That sort of thing. That was 100% not my experience. I haven't worn the quarters for over a year - sad, petty, call it what you will. I don't want to be associated with anything to do with B*****, and for me that includes even wearing the shirt.Anyway I usually wear my German shirts these days. So people started calling me "Berlin". Eisern Union! And one day I'll be back signing off with UTG. A bit like when George Michael left Wham. I never wore my CHOOSE LIFE T Shirt again!!! |
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Post by richmace on Apr 1, 2022 16:49:28 GMT
I've just gone to the mem to get tickets for tomorrow and the Family Tent is still there, standing proudly! Maybe it will be going at the end of the season, which makes much more sense logistically. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 16:49:41 GMT
Interesting... I think I've probably made a bit of a rod for my own back. For years (well about 30) I only EVER wore a Rovers shirt - exemptions being for work, church or a meal out with the missus! Quite a few people didn't know my name - they called me "Bristol". So knowing my fairly fanatical support for a small under-achieving club 140 miles away - the appointment of B***** raised a lot of laughs. There was never a positive comment. I know other people (holmes?) had a very different response living in the north west - that Joey was 'an interesting appointment', that he had 'potential'. That sort of thing. That was 100% not my experience. I haven't worn the quarters for over a year - sad, petty, call it what you will. I don't want to be associated with anything to do with B*****, and for me that includes even wearing the shirt.Anyway I usually wear my German shirts these days. So people started calling me "Berlin". Eisern Union! And one day I'll be back signing off with UTG. A bit like when George Michael left Wham. I never wore my CHOOSE LIFE T Shirt again!!! You got yours from the Jonathan Ross collection though, didn't you? Last home game, you were proudly wearing your Choose Wife t shirt. Rex probably had his Fw**kie Says Welax shirt on at the stripy lot in Glesca. |
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Post by syg on Apr 1, 2022 16:51:30 GMT
All this family club stuff is ####### and I don't understand why we hear it.
We are no more a family club than any other club, I'm sure they would all love to have more women and kids, but that demographic is a prominent minority.
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