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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 20, 2021 9:13:22 GMT
We're second bottom of the fair play league which, given who our manager is, is the least surprising part of this season. When you have a manager who spends half his life whinging about referees and has a questionable disciplinary record both on and off the pitch, is it any wonder 50:50 decisions go against us (if indeed they were questionable red cards)? Yet another reason B***** shouldn't be anywhere near this club in my opinion. Harries, may be questionable for the second yellow. Don't know if the players were warned about time wasting watching no arguments for the Clarke sending off. Guy blocked off Clarke's run, but then Clarke appears to throw a punch at him There was so much yesterday reminiscent of how B*****’s Fleetwood used to go about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 9:16:06 GMT
B***** says in his post match interview that he never saw the Clarke incident as he was too close. He then went on a rant at the referee for sending him off.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 20, 2021 10:54:59 GMT
Was it the same ref that sent McCormick off last season for kicking the ball away?!
Pedantic sending off Harries but what could he do? It appeared no one wanted the ball.
Fair enough booking for time wasting, but some teams do it to us at Mem in first half!
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Post by stockgas on Oct 20, 2021 12:07:55 GMT
It was my first game in the flesh since that Ipswich game. Very pleased that Colchester left out free programmes so I could put names to faces! On the whole the team were much better than I had expected. Pitman held the ball up well, and Collins was causing problems until he came to shoot. The midfield stretched Colchester for 78 minutes, but the defence looked jittery. What is that goalkick routine all about? We had started wasting time/being professional (you choose) so it was no surprise that Harries got the 2nd yellow. However it should never have come to that. We had the game in control and should have been out of sight. Then it came to substituions and that cost us the game. Thomas and Nicholson had done a great job of pushing back Colchester's full backs, as soon as they were subbed we gave up possession and were pinned back. I couldn't coach a Subbuteo team, but things changed when Thomas went off so adding to the problem by taking Nicholson off too was nuts. Overall looks like we do have the basis of a reasonable league 2 side, but the tactics need an upgrade so last night doesn't happen again.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 20, 2021 12:32:18 GMT
Nice free kick routine that got very close to scoring.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 13:59:29 GMT
Nice free kick routine that got very close to scoring. I thought the same Bas. A shame it didn't result in the goal that it deserved.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 20, 2021 14:24:52 GMT
Nice free kick routine that got very close to scoring. I thought the same Bas. A shame it didn't result in the goal that it deserved. Good to have that string to our bow PHE and worth trying again at an opportune moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 14:25:42 GMT
I thought the same Bas. A shame it didn't result in the goal that it deserved. Good to have that string to our bow PHE and worth trying again at an opportune moment. Let's hope there weren't too many opposition scouts watching Bas.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 20, 2021 14:33:49 GMT
Good to have that string to our bow PHE and worth trying again at an opportune moment. Let's hope there weren't too many opposition scouts watching Bas. Got to time it right in the heat of battle,scouts remember as do managers. Players,hmmm 😏 Edit. A few more alternative dead ball options and I imagine we'll hurt teams and secure vital points.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 20, 2021 15:59:28 GMT
Was it the same ref that sent McCormick off last season for kicking the ball away?! Pedantic sending off Harries but what could he do? It appeared no one wanted the ball. Fair enough booking for time wasting, but some teams do it to us at Mem in first half! The ludicrous decision to send off McCormick (made worse by the fact that he was so lenient to the Burton players for similar actions) was made by Charles Breakspear. He refereed the recent match at home to Carlisle (adequately, I thought).
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 20, 2021 16:08:23 GMT
We had started wasting time/being professional (you choose) so it was no surprise that Harries got the 2nd yellow. However it should never have come to that. In the couple of minutes before Harries' second yellow, we kept the ball near Colchester's corner flag, with the aim of running the clock down. Purists might frown, but that activity was entirely legal. Despite that, I reckon the referee somehow perceived it as time-wasting, and (maybe sub-consciously) took it into account when deciding that Cian Harries had delayed his throw-in too long. That's why I think the decision was harsh, because keeping the ball near the corner-flag should have played no part in his decision. However, I agree that "it should never have come to that". Cian should have realised that, having already taken a yellow card, he could not afford to tempt the ref into a stupid decision. It would have been better if he had anticipated the potential risk, just left the ball on the ground, retreated, and let someone else take the throw-in. We need to develop that football-intelligence, as it helps to win matches.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 20, 2021 16:10:11 GMT
It was my first game in the flesh since that Ipswich game. Very pleased that Colchester left out free programmes so I could put names to faces! On the whole the team were much better than I had expected. Pitman held the ball up well, and Collins was causing problems until he came to shoot. The midfield stretched Colchester for 78 minutes, but the defence looked jittery. What is that goalkick routine all about? We had started wasting time/being professional (you choose) so it was no surprise that Harries got the 2nd yellow. However it should never have come to that. We had the game in control and should have been out of sight. Then it came to substituions and that cost us the game. Thomas and Nicholson had done a great job of pushing back Colchester's full backs, as soon as they were subbed we gave up possession and were pinned back. I couldn't coach a Subbuteo team, but things changed when Thomas went off so adding to the problem by taking Nicholson off too was nuts. Overall looks like we do have the basis of a reasonable league 2 side, but the tactics need an upgrade so last night doesn't happen again. You would have thought younger legs staying on, the oldies taken off, not the other way around. Pressing is so important in modern football from whistle to whistle. You are right, we are overlooking the number of good chances we gave Colchester in that first half. When you think back to start of last season, Ipswich, Hull etc were sticking those sort of gifts away.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 20, 2021 16:11:43 GMT
We had started wasting time/being professional (you choose) so it was no surprise that Harries got the 2nd yellow. However it should never have come to that. In the couple of minutes before Harries' second yellow, we kept the ball in near Colchester's corner flag, with the aim of running the clock down. Purists might frown, but that activity was entirely legal. Despite that, I reckon the referee somehow perceived it as time-wasting, and (maybe sub-consciously) took it into account when deciding that Cian Harries had delayed his throw-in too long. That's why I think the decision was harsh, because keeping the ball near the corner-flag should have played no part in his decision. However, I agree that "it should never have come to that". Cian should have realised that, having already taken a yellow card, he could not afford to tempt the ref into a stupid decision. It would have been better if he had anticipated the potential risk, just left the ball on the ground, retreated, and let someone else take the throw-in. We need to develop that football-intelligence, as it helps to win matches. Are you blaming the players not the manager for the Colchester Debacle?
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 20, 2021 16:13:58 GMT
In the couple of minutes before Harries' second yellow, we kept the ball in near Colchester's corner flag, with the aim of running the clock down. Purists might frown, but that activity was entirely legal. Despite that, I reckon the referee somehow perceived it as time-wasting, and (maybe sub-consciously) took it into account when deciding that Cian Harries had delayed his throw-in too long. That's why I think the decision was harsh, because keeping the ball near the corner-flag should have played no part in his decision. However, I agree that "it should never have come to that". Cian should have realised that, having already taken a yellow card, he could not afford to tempt the ref into a stupid decision. It would have been better if he had anticipated the potential risk, just left the ball on the ground, retreated, and let someone else take the throw-in. We need to develop that football-intelligence, as it helps to win matches. Are you blaming the players not the manager for the Colchester Debacle? I was commenting solely on the one incident: the decision to issue Cian Harries with a second yellow card.
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Post by outwoodgas on Oct 20, 2021 18:07:13 GMT
Harries first booking looked harsh, although Joey seemed to accept it, but the second was just one of those things where you can't believe quite what you are seeing. No warning was given and he wasn't even tarrying that long over the throw-in. Yet Thomas, Nicko and Collins were regularly being fouled and Colchester largely got away with it (19 fouls 4 yellow cards).
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 20, 2021 19:14:45 GMT
Are you blaming the players not the manager for the Colchester Debacle? I was commenting solely on the one incident: the decision to issue Cian Harries with a second yellow card. it went from coasting to Chaos.
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 21, 2021 6:32:20 GMT
We're second bottom of the fair play league which, given who our manager is, is the least surprising part of this season. When you have a manager who spends half his life whinging about referees and has a questionable disciplinary record both on and off the pitch, is it any wonder 50:50 decisions go against us (if indeed they were questionable red cards)? Yet another reason B***** shouldn't be anywhere near this club in my opinion. Yeah but he's here. Bottom fair play league and 15 points or top of fair play league and 7 points. We were too polite to play against last season.
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