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Post by lostinspace on Oct 9, 2021 20:55:09 GMT
Everything to do with football. A horrific football manager. Is the cult following he has anything to do with football? If it is I’d be interested to know what Football wise we've had a disapointing first 11 games,but,not a disaster.WAQ backs Joe. We are 5 points from relegation and 4 off a play off place. Has a managers golf handicap got anything to do with his ability to manage an fc?No. Neither has Joe's life away from the game and that time is I suspect precious little,as he is football man. on the same parallell, i find it quite odd then that the Welsh FA, have their manager suspended while he is under investigation for similar offences ...... who has got things right here?
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 9, 2021 20:55:20 GMT
If memory serves, the bloke who got silver in 68 was a white kiwi who lent a glove to one of the other two in a gesture of support for their gesture. Which was perfect icing on that particular overdue cake Peter Norman, Australian. I don't know about the 'lending of the glove' - I hope it's true though. Smith and Carlos said their protest, "was a cry for freedom and for human rights. We had to be seen because we couldn't be heard." So close but no cigar for me, tho deffo one for Smith, Carlos and Norman Was I right on glovegate?
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2021 21:16:11 GMT
Football wise we've had a disapointing first 11 games,but,not a disaster.WAQ backs Joe. We are 5 points from relegation and 4 off a play off place. Has a managers golf handicap got anything to do with his ability to manage an fc?No. Neither has Joe's life away from the game and that time is I suspect precious little,as he is football man. on the same parallell, i find it quite odd then that the Welsh FA, have their manager suspended while he is under investigation for similar offences ...... who has got things right here? That's a good question LIS. What is Giggs charged with? I don't know the answer,maybe it just boils down to the boss. Giggs with Welsh FA. Joe with WAQ.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 9, 2021 22:05:10 GMT
I just looked on bbc sport football and it looks like we scored, I’m high on fentanyl in Watford general so any updates would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Get well soon KP. UTG!
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 10, 2021 0:48:00 GMT
I just looked on bbc sport football and it looks like we scored, I’m high on fentanyl in Watford general so any updates would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Get well soon KP. UTG! Yeah...all the best Joules.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 10, 2021 5:53:15 GMT
Booing players for standing up to racism. THAT’s completely wrong and stupid. That's what happens when you allow a far Left activist group into football. Anyway, 2and half.... Turn it in Basil, you're beginning to sound like a dotty old contrarian. Haven't you noticed the support the gesture has at most grounds these days? Does your brain switch off at the massive round of applause from the terraces? A spokesperson for Kick It Out said: “Racism is both a football and societal issue, and it is clear that we are living in a climate of rising hatred and tribalism across the world. In this country, the situation is no different and the language of division has become normalised within our political debate – and our politicians must take the lead in countering that. “In that context, it is no surprise to see a rise in reported incidents in English football. But it is also important to note that racism in the game has now become a far more mainstream topic – which we believe is encouraging supporters to take action and report abuse they see or hear.” Labour’s shadow sports minister Catherine West said: “The evidence from the Home Office is clear, with such an astonishing rise in football-related racist incidents since the 15-16 season, coinciding with the EU referendum and the normalisation of bigotry that it ushered in. “The FA and Kick it Out have been doing good work to stamp out racism from the sport, but clearly we all need to do more to ensure that the beautiful game is free from all forms of bigotry.”
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 10, 2021 6:09:38 GMT
Good to see Thomas back, a player who'll go far I reckon. Lovely assists for the two late goals. He makes it look so easy. Having said that, Carlisle's defending left a lot to be desired. Good to have Nicholson back too, a player who will lift the team above the Barton doldrums. I think I'll pop into my local church today and thank the Lord for his divine intervention.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2021 6:56:37 GMT
That's what happens when you allow a far Left activist group into football. Anyway, 2and half.... Turn it in Basil, you're beginning to sound like a dotty old contrarian. Haven't you noticed the support the gesture has at most grounds these days? Does your brain switch off at the massive round of applause from the terraces? A spokesperson for Kick It Out said: “Racism is both a football and societal issue, and it is clear that we are living in a climate of rising hatred and tribalism across the world. In this country, the situation is no different and the language of division has become normalised within our political debate – and our politicians must take the lead in countering that. “In that context, it is no surprise to see a rise in reported incidents in English football. But it is also important to note that racism in the game has now become a far more mainstream topic – which we believe is encouraging supporters to take action and report abuse they see or hear.” Labour’s shadow sports minister Catherine West said: “The evidence from the Home Office is clear, with such an astonishing rise in football-related racist incidents since the 15-16 season, coinciding with the EU referendum and the normalisation of bigotry that it ushered in. “The FA and Kick it Out have been doing good work to stamp out racism from the sport, but clearly we all need to do more to ensure that the beautiful game is free from all forms of bigotry.” Blah blah rude blah blah Labour Party etc.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2021 7:07:42 GMT
The glorious Prem players have stated they take the knee gesture in solidarity against ALL forms of racism.
This,without any 'baggage' as it were I can support.It's decent and commonsense.
I might even take the knee myself.Perhaps.
Against ALL forms of racism. So this involves all victims of racism, from all people. Black,brown,white.Maybe white on white,maybe black on black.ALL.
So,why is the acronym BLM still branded about?
Surely it should be ALM -All Lives Matter - because this is exactly what the Prem players have stated what they support by taking the knee.
Radio Bristol told it's listeners only yesterday , 'the players take the knee in support of black lives matter'.
In the scenario the word 'all' replaced the word 'black' it would officially cut ties - imagined and real - with BLM.
So again,why is the acronym BLM name still used?
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Post by towngas on Oct 10, 2021 7:25:55 GMT
2 poor sides and we ultimately proved to be less poor. Carlisle should have had a penalty in the first half, but for some reason neither the Lino or ref saw it.
Still, a wins a win, and I will travel to Bradford with a little more hope although I expect to return empty handed.
My view on this taking the knee nonsense is that it’s lost all impact. The players can do as they wish, but it seems to me it was instigated by a noisy Left Wing political agitation which almost dared the players not to do it. I suspect most go along with it to avoid being called out and I take my hat off to the likes of Zaha who has proved he can think for himself.
I wonder if Newcastle players will continue to do it under their open-hearted Saudi owners, or is racism only something the hated white man is guilty of? Likewise at the Quatar World Cup, where almost slave Labour from the poorest countries was used to build the stadia and infrastructure.
You really couldn’t make it up, or the gullibility of the buffoons who lap it up.
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Post by The Concept on Oct 10, 2021 8:02:09 GMT
So what? None of that surprises me. But they don't bleat on about it every week on a football forum. And for "Black and brown skinned people amongst them.", read a tiny insignificant percentage. And has been pointed out to you on several occasions, players taking the knee has nothing to do with a political organisation. BASEL POST. Many believe the gesture of kneeling is connected to the political activist group BLM. - Yes, there are, and they're clearly wrong. I've explained before that the term 'taking the knee' for racial injustice pre-dates the political group BLM by decades, and that 'bending the knee' as an act of submission pre-dates the political group BLM by centuries. At one time were'nt Premier league clubs wearing BLM armbands?I think so. - So what? Just because someone uses the words 'black lives matter' doesn't mean they are part of a political organisation that uses those words. No political organisation owns the 3 words 'black lives matter'.BLM were involved in much disorder in eg London.Union flag burning,statue vandalism ,get rid of the Police (insanity)etc. - Yes, you're right, there was some disorder during the protests, but the majority were peaceful protesters. And seeing as though you mention London, if you're going to cite far-left disorder then you should also cite the far-right counter protest in London, which saw more violence against the police, and pissing on a police memorial. Oh, and the political group BLM (who are separate from the players taking the knee) haven't said they want to get rid of the police - you've made that up for effect. They've said "defund the police", which is nothing near the same thing.
The connection was there,blatant. - Errr, no.
This made some people uncomfortable and some people booed in stadia. - How sad.Then we had a statement from players saying they were taking the knee in a united 'stand' against all forms of racism. Decent enough. - Good.But ,the connection between BLM and taking the knee had already been made and by the same people who only a couple of months or so ago stated taking the knee was only a gesture against all racism. - You haven't thought that through. You're talking in riddles now. So,it's hardly surprising that many don't like or trust this knee taking gesture. - To you maybe.This does'nt mean these people don't necessarily support eg 'kick It Out'. - Good.CONCEPT POST. Oh boy! Do we really have to go over all this again? You've just repeated the same old tenuous links. It's as if you haven't bothered reading the replies over the last 18 months. Please see responses above in blue font.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 8:08:33 GMT
If the players want to show solidarity with their team mates and others in their sport for the abuse they suffer because of the colour of their skin then well done to them and good luck.
The fact that it winds racists up is even more reason that they should continue to do so.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2021 8:12:27 GMT
The glorious Prem players have stated they take the knee gesture in solidarity against ALL forms of racism. This,without any 'baggage' as it were I can support.It's decent and commonsense. I might even take the knee myself.Perhaps. Against ALL forms of racism. So this involves all victims of racism, from all people. Black,brown,white.Maybe white on white,maybe black on black.ALL. So,why is the acronym BLM still branded about? Surely it should be ALM -All Lives Matter - because this is exactly what the Prem players have stated what they support by taking the knee. Radio Bristol told it's listeners only yesterday , 'the players take the knee in support of black lives matter'. In the scenario the word 'all' replaced the word 'black' it would officially cut ties - imagined and real - with BLM. So again,why is the acronym BLM name still used? Above.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Oct 10, 2021 8:22:00 GMT
What was the official attendance yesterday?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 8:25:32 GMT
What was the official attendance yesterday? Showing as this on Carlisle site: 6,002 (292)
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2021 8:51:24 GMT
CONCEPT POST. Oh boy! Do we really have to go over all this again? You've just repeated the same old tenuous links. It's as if you haven't bothered reading the replies over the last 18 months. Please see responses above in blue font. Disapointing and weak response. Still,thanks for taking the trouble. Do you blindly jump on every woke train you see coming?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2021 9:04:11 GMT
...and thousands can only dream of a Bodin-like inclusion. A revelation playing Evans on the left ... It won't work every week, but today it did. Appreciate comments, b.... hopefully we'll be watching together (with many others) soon....I don't believe the attendance today, very many patches of emptiness. But we win today, and probably do something else another day....well done everyone that helped entertain as today was a well deserved win. Did you hear any anti JB speak today? I attended one game and felt abit daft about it as I have Crohns and therefore on the list that says I maybe particularly I'll on catching Cov.I've now had the booster and so I may go to the next 4th tier game. The moaning anti JB thing and Cov kept me away today. Like anything else, pre match chat before the cider took over amongst dignified company was split....so yes, there is still a dormant anti JAB feeling when we play well. It tends only to vocalise when we are poor or losing....but almost every manager I remember, there was someone somewhere at some time dissenting about them in charge. Actually, the smoking jacket company I keep pre match had moved on to theory of not blaming JAB for being JAB, if Wael had a chance of booting him, he is defacto taking responsibility for his tenure....? An argument I find difficult to counter. I heard no organised anti JAB chant, the only negative is the -6000 GasHeads in attendance. On the knee issue...... it still amazes me the amount of ignorance around. It isn't binary. But most of the media and narrative would have you believe (along the lines of): "If you don't support taking the knee, you're automatically racist." Preposterous! In a democratic mature society, it is perfectly legitimate to not support any political gesture, and keep sport as clean from this type of involvement as possible. Team sport is as anti racist as it gets, because if you're good enough on ability, you're good enough wherever you're from, whatever your belief, sexuality or age. The only discrimination is on ability. When sky sports and BBC, the most prolific and most watched media advertise their support for BLM, in conjunction with taking the knee, it's only going to serve to divide because many don't support a Marxist organisation (that has provided millions of dollars for their founders). Ps....get well soon mate and hope you can get back to watching asap.....the more JAB is in charge, it looks like the more socially distance opportunities will be provided for you!
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Post by The Concept on Oct 10, 2021 9:04:48 GMT
The glorious Prem players have stated they take the knee gesture in solidarity against ALL forms of racism. This,without any 'baggage' as it were I can support.It's decent and commonsense. I might even take the knee myself.Perhaps. Against ALL forms of racism. So this involves all victims of racism, from all people. Black,brown,white.Maybe white on white,maybe black on black.ALL. So,why is the acronym BLM still branded about? Surely it should be ALM -All Lives Matter - because this is exactly what the Prem players have stated what they support by taking the knee. Radio Bristol told it's listeners only yesterday , 'the players take the knee in support of black lives matter'. In the scenario the word 'all' replaced the word 'black' it would officially cut ties - imagined and real - with BLM. So again,why is the acronym BLM name still used? White on white racism? seriously? And if there was a problem with racism against white people at football matches then yes, the banner would be changed. But I don't think we do have that problem - do you? I'll give you the benefit that perhaps over the past 18 months you've never seen explanations like these below. Hopefully this helps: In 2017 when the Manchester Arena was bombed, lots of people changed their profile picture to the worker bee and said "Manchester Strong". Nobody said "All Cities Strong".
When the shootings at the Bataclan in Paris happened in 2015, people said "I stand with Paris". No one said "Well what about the people who were shot in my city".
Have you ever seen anyone counter a Breast Cancer post with "What about Colon Cancer?".
But for some reason, if someone says "Black Lives Matter", it turns into the all inclusive "All Lives Matter". It's not an either/or proclamation. When there is a crisis we have all rallied around that particular group, it just brings awareness and support to the group that needs attention.One final question: If your neighbours house across the round was on fire, would you shout to the Fire Brigade to turn their hose on your house, and claim all houses matter?
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Post by The Concept on Oct 10, 2021 9:12:38 GMT
Disapointing and weak response. Still,thanks for taking the trouble. - Oh dear! You come up with weak excuses and I come up with a full response to each, and you have the cheek to call them weak responses.Do you blindly jump on every woke train you see coming? - No. Like I said right from the start, you're the one who keeps bringing this up every week, and largely people ignore it. I might have been involved in this subject with you once before, as opposed to your continued boring posts.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Oct 10, 2021 9:13:34 GMT
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